Posted on 01/24/2002 12:50:37 PM PST by traditionalist
Pledging to win a larger share of Hispanic and black votes, The Republican National Committee completed its winter meeting. This fateful decision could mean either the end of class and race political war in the U.S. or the demise of the Republican Party.
The outcome depends on how Republicans approach the task. The GOP can base its appeal to minorities on assimilation to American culture, on the promise of an opportunity society based in low taxes and decreased regulation, on respect for parental authority and a reduction in government intrusion in family affairs, and on respect for individual achievement and self-reliance.
If Hispanics and blacks desire a free and independent life, they will respond positively to the offer.
The alternative approach is to compete with Democrats in offering income support programs and race-based preferences.
The first approach would not only rally the demoralized Republican constituency, but also provide a test whether immigrants are committed to American principles or to income redistribution. The personal income tax burden rests on 32 million taxpayers (primarily white males), who deserve to know whether they have a future different from tax slavery.
The alternative approach--pandering, preferences, and handouts--will destroy the Republican Party.
Many of the Republican Partys natural constituents are disgusted and alienated by the partys wobbly principles and refuse to vote. Experts have pointed out that had Bush received 2 or 3 percent more votes from the white population, he would have swamped Al Gore in the electoral college. If Bush competes for minorities on the Democrats terms, he will lose more white votes than he will gain minority votes.
Moreover, whatever handouts the Republicans offer, the Democrats will offer more. Two political parties competing to redistribute income and expand minority privileges would spell the swift end of the U.S.
Most immigrants to the U.S. are poor and uneducated. They are tax-users. Sensing the white guilt that weakens resistance to income redistribution, organizations that speak for immigrants lobby for more benefits. Large and concentrated immigrant populations, combined with the emphasis on multiculturalism, make assimilation difficult.
Fearing that a principled approach to minorities will fail, GOP pandering has already begun. Witness President Bushs plan to legalize millions of illegal Mexican immigrants and to provide food stamps for legal aliens.
Democrats will outbid him. Republican voters will desert the GOP.
Millions of Americans believe that their culture is being overrun from abroad and overturned from within, and that they are forced to pay for their corresponding loss of community and sense of self with their own tax dollars.
Black and white New York City councilmen are taking down portraits of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Malcolm X is taking their place. There is no longer a George Washington Day; but there is a Martin Luther King Day.
Announcing a MLK, Jr., portrait that will hang prominently in the White House, President Bush accepted the replacement of our Founding Fathers with new heroes: Some figures in history, renowned in their day, grow smaller with the passing of time. The man [MLK, Jr.] from Atlanta, Georgia, only grows larger with the years. America is a better place because he was here, and we will honor his name forever.
Many Republicans will see in these words the Republican Partys acquiescence to racial preferences and unequal rights for whites. The war against terrorism and the illusion that the country has pulled together have led Republicans to conclude that they can broaden their political base by betraying the people who vote for them.
When the Democrats tried this, they lost the solid South.
Would? Both political parties are competing to redestribute the wealth of the U.S. The end may not be so swift -- more likely it will be long drawn out and painfully unpleasant to behold.
Under the Democrat version, everyone works for the global-socialist-welfare state for their peanuts.
Under the Neo-con version, everyone either works for the global-corporate-police-state for their peanuts, or works behind bars (or soon will).
He has written well but briefly on why it takes a while for a communist economy to fail
Could you or Mr. Drucker enlighten me on just when the Communists in China are slated to fail, since their destruction is so confidently predicted? Once you get the time line down, could you forward it to everyone in Tibet?
They'll be thrilled to know. Something to look forward to.
Nahh, I'm not moving the ball. Just pointing out birds of a feather. FDR and Truman may have been stylistically different, but their basic instincts were the same: Appeasement of Socialism.
1) Most of the 'immigrants' in So. Cal. are there illegally. Barging into someone else's country illegally is not 'immigration', like the kind your family engaged in. It's invasion.
2) We were told that the 1965 Immigration Act would not impact us this way, explicitly. Except it did.
So what you take nonchalantly as some sort of act of nature, I take as an act of force and also deceit against a formerly free people. Why do I say 'formerly free'? Because if foreign nationals or their offspring who do not share our values can vote in our elections, then they can rule us. In which case, 'WE' ain't free no more. Why should I take that as just a 'demographic' change? It's the extinction of my right as an American not to be ruled by a foreign people (that's why we declared "independence").
"Tin foil hat" my ass. You're right, so don't apologize for it.
Term limits are the ONLY way to take a giant step toward limiting our Federal government. It has gotten way out of control (Understatement of the Week), and incumbents are fed millions by those who seek their favor.........and they keep winning. They get addicted to the power, the "glory", the............................................control.
Now, we even hear people screaming for the Feds to "bail out" all of the investors in and employees of the failed Enron Corporation. There's no such thing as a "tough break" any more that the Fed can't fix. Terrorists attack NY? EVERYBODY gets a fat check..........courtesy of the Fed. A major corporation goes tits-up? EVERYBODY gets a fat check.......................courtesy of the Fed (what, you say? no such thing has happened???.................I say to you.............hide 'n' watch).
No hurts, no ills, no pains, no troubles: Your FED is standing right behind you; robbing from the working (forget that "rich" bromide), giving to the lazy or "unfortunate" (forget that "poor" nonsense).
Our Federal Government represents nothing more than one, giant Income Redistribution Engine. Anyone who thinks otherwise, no matter WHO is in the White House, is on serious drugs.
As far as the second part...well, it's like this. California is not a separate country, YET (even though it seems like it to us 'whites'). At some point though, the rest of the country may feel that way, and might be disinclined to sacrifice their children and tax dollars to defend it. At that point perhaps CA will sue to secede and be its own country, or perhaps become part of another country (some "Mexican-Americans" believe that this is a wonderful idea, and you can guess which country they would like to tag up with; fun stuff here: Reconquista Now! ).
In any event, the notion of a unified country with a common set of values will cease to exist. Oh, it might still be titularly unified, but that will be a joke. The ethnic differences will be stunning. Will all these nice people get together "for the common defense"? Nah. Look around you. Didja see lines around the block to join the Army on Sept. 12th? But that's what happened on Dec. 8th, 1941. Millions volunteered. It took weeks for the backlogs to be cleared. So we're already there in some ways. Ultimately this will lead to a more vulnerable country. Actually, it already has.
Forty years ago Mohammed Atta and his gang couldn't have walked around loose. People would have been instantaneously suspicious - even here in SJC, at least back then. Cops would have stopped them: whatcha doin here, furriner? But since virtually anyone can walk our streets now, and we are legally enjoined from impeding them based on any criteria at all, we are now vulnerable. The Japanese had to come in aircraft launched from carriers; these days the guys walk right in and set up operations. That's the future!
I don't expect the draft to make a comeback no matter what, for just those reasons. The "American people" may be too ethnically different in 30 years to ever expect that people from Iowa would team up with people from NYC or SFO and go out to fight. The US Armed forces will remain what it has become, a mercenary army controlled by a central government, rather than the citizen armies of the past, which were mainly state militias, activated for federal service in time of war. That is the reason I asked you about the military: to gauge your perceived willingness to identify as a part of a larger whole. Obviously, you don't. You segment the world into competing ethnicities. No surprise there. Everyone does!
Undoubtedly, there are those who will chime in and say, "but its always been this way in the US!". But that was when we had severe pressures to assimilate. With the numbers coming now, and the enormous cultural differences, that pressure has evaporated. And, as you said, no one knows what will happen.
I'm not apologizing, just said that for the blind followers of the one party, i,e,; republicrats.
You said it as well as I could re: the bail-outs of everyone except those of us who pay the bills.
As far as a comparison of RR and FDR, well, here: Another Viewpoint
By the way, as far as Kennedys quote about us what believes in this being fringies, well, let me put it this way: I went to John Birch Society meetings with my father in the 1960s, where they said lots of nasty things about the sympathies of our leaders. Most of which turned out to be true (like, describing Martin Luther King as not a communist, but pink in 1965, which was heresy then, but fact now). We were Goldwater Republicans in Arizona (Tucson, in fact) when that definitely wasnt cool with the libs in the East. Hell, my sister was a Goldwater Girl from Arizona at the 64 Convention (along with the Hildebeest)! So you can call us card carrying Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Members. So, you bet. Im a fringy. And the past 50 years of history and the Venona papers proved us right. One more thing. Your handle is LincolnDefender. Thats nice. My Great-Great Grandfather was an abolitionist who left North Carolina in 1852 because of Slavery (and alcohol traffic). His sons my g-g uncles were Union soldiers who fought his brothers and their cousins who stayed home and fought in Confederate Regiments. Our family was split because of the War: the Unionists who were some of the first Republicans (the real ones) went North and West into the Free States, and the other folks stayed in the South or went West into the new Slave States. We have been Republicans for 150 years, and defending Mr. Lincoln is something we do reflexively. That still doesnt stop me from being skeptical of Lincolns tactics with regard to the Copperheads or the question of Secession and its legality. As Gale Norton said, maybe the Southerners just picked a bad issue to resolve States Rights. I think the topic is quite timely at the moment.
Hi there. Took a break to do some work. So lets wrap it up: You are of the opinion that FDR was a great guy because he shook a sleeping, isolationist America out of its uncaring slumber and got us to be the international savior that were supposed to be. Yeah, thats the dogma I was taught too. Even saw the Capra films where they derided the Lazy Americans for being that way. We all know the conspiracy theories about FDR letting Pearl Harbor happen to get things going. Some of the same noise is going around right now about 911. Who knows. Only George. There is truth to that viewpoint. I didnt dispute that I disputed other things. Some people would point out that had a lot of things been done, WWII wouldnt have happened. What ever. It did. At the time, the US had virtually no immigration, its ties to the rest of the world seemed remote, and most WASPs could care less about the outrages happening to the Jews in Germany. Witness the famous turning away of the St. Louis. I can tell you that my Grandfather had no such illusions about Germany, having been present for the German occupation of the Sudetenland. He was all for war with the Axis, and thats not the crux of the argument here. The crux again is FDRs and the American Lefts perception of the character of Socialism, and in specific, Internationalist Socialism, allegedly dead by the ice pick to Trotskys head. FDR and the Democratic Party in the 1930s WERE socialists as they are today! Social Security and a lot of other things were borrowed straight from Norman Thomas party platforms, specifically the 1928 platform:
Socialist Party Platform of 1928
Many of these are reality today, and would probably be considered good (I like having weekends off!). But the point is, Communism, Socialism etc were seen as the modern future by many Democrats, who couldnt bring themselves to go so far as to admit to being Socialists. So they borrowed ideas, and ignored troubling little stories coming out of the USSR about the nature of the regime there. They convinced themselves that some unpleasantness attended all revolutions, and besides, the evil landowners probably deserved it anyway, right? Stalin was really a great guy just trying to build a great country. Occasionally he went a little over the top. So what?
Its these attitudes that would lead someone to say in the aftermath of Stalin not upholding his agreements for Eastern European self-determination after the war (Stalin did not hold free elections in Eastern Europe and the American press turned increasingly hostile to Russia) that perhaps FDR, Hull and others were credulous when it came to Stalin. Stalin had honored his commitments during the war, but that was pragmatism; he was interested in surviving. After the war he was interested in solidifying his power, and could not be expected to go along with high minded crap like elections in Poland or other places, at least not elections that he couldnt control.
So we come to Yalta. The standard line is: Roosevelt had to make concessions to secure Soviet participation in the Far East, because who knew what would happen when Japan was invaded? They needed to tie up the Japanese Manchurian forces. Or maybe not if the bomb worked. But they couldnt bank on that. So Mr. Roosevelt had some horse trading to do, and these were the horses he sold:
- Russia's demand for $20 billion in reparations from Germany - Poland to the Curzon line - 3 seats in the United Nations - territory in the Far East including Outer Mongolia, south Sakhalin Island, the Kuriles
These were, of course, the secret protocols that were referred to as the sell-out. But it all went further, right? Heres Churchill doing a little world shuffling:
'The moment was apt for business, so I said Let us settle about our affairs in the Balkans. Your armies are in Rumania and Bulgaria. We have interests, missions and agents there. Dont let us get at cross-purposes in small ways. So far as Britain and Russia are concerned, how would it do for you to have ninety per cent predominance in Rumania, for us to have ninety per cent of the say in Greece, and go fifty-fifty about Yugoslavia? While this was being translated I wrote out on a half a sheet of paper: Rumania Russia 50% The others 10% Greece Great Britain 90% Russia 10% (in accord with USA) Yugoslavia 50-50% Hungary 50-50% Bulgaria Russia 75% The others 25% 'I pushed this across to Stalin, who had by then heard the translation. There was a slight pause. Then he took his blue pencil and made a large tick upon it, and passed it back to us. It was all settled in no more time than it takes to set down, ... After this there was a long silence. The pencilled paper lay in the centre of the table. At length I said, might it not be thought rather cynical if it seemed we had disposed of these issues, so fateful to millions of people, in such an off-hand manner? Let us burn the paper. No, you keep it said Stalin'.All of this just to get Stalin into the war with Japan, and the other excuse being that he had a lot of troops there, so what could we do? Methinks not. I can see that Churchill was brazenly pragmatic, and probably had no illusions about Stalin. But I think Roosevelt was open to the deals, because, again, he was a socialist himself. The other rationales are just cover. For a different viewpoint on this then your buddy Mr. Drucker, see CAUGHT BETWEEN ROOSEVELT AND STALIN.
The sell out is the opinion of many people, not just me. You have many justifications for it, i.e., military reality, the need for Russia in Japan, etc. Well, for the Congress in 1951, that wasnt good enough: they passed a resolution condemning it (so what, right? Just politics). Articles were written: Human Events, 1950. This points out something even far worse: the fall of China as a result.
These are cataclysms in human history. No one should get a pass on them. What would China have been under the KMT? Look at Taiwan today. Then look at the mainland. And because of a few realpolitik considerations? Nah. He just didnt think it would all be that bad, since he and the people around him were, in many cases, sympathizers. Remember that many Leftists fought in WWII because it was considered a sacred cause (like Bill Kunstler, in the Phillipines, or Herbert Marcuse in the OSS). The trial of Alger Hiss, the rise of Joe McCarthy, was related to all of this. I dont care what you think of McCarthy, I feel that history has vindicated him. There WERE communists in the State and War departments. And they were influential. They were tolerated because of the attitudes of the Democratic party, and FDR.
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