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Psssst... Hey, ftD.

There's a question which you still have not answered. Here it is again:

Matthew 11: 20 - 27 -- Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you." At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure." All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

God foreknew Tyre and Sidon's free choice NOT TO REPENT in the case of His non-performance of such Miracles; AND
God foreknew Tyre and Sidon's free choice TO REPENT in the case of His performance of such Miracles; AND
God CHOSE not to perform these Miracles in Tyre and Sidon, a choice which had as its perfectly foreknown result the NON-Repentance of Tyre and Sidon, just as He foreknew.
True, or False?

You know why you are not answering?

Because you know that what Jesus is teaching here is that God specifically pre-determines the individual choices of Men.

These are the specific words of Jesus.
And I accuse you of understanding His words, and hating them.

Prove me wrong. Answer the question.

Psssst... Hey, ftD. There's a question which you still have not answered. Here it is again:

Pssst...Hey, OP, if I answer it,will you promise not to ask it again. This was answered months ago. In fact, Rnmonof7 stated then (when she had not been deceived into Calvinism) that it proved the opposite of what you were attempting to say.

Matthew 11: 20 - 27 -- Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you." At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure." All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. God foreknew Tyre and Sidon's free choice NOT TO REPENT in the case of His non-performance of such Miracles; AND God foreknew Tyre and Sidon's free choice TO REPENT in the case of His performance of such Miracles; AND God CHOSE not to perform these Miracles in Tyre and Sidon, a choice which had as its perfectly foreknown result the NON-Repentance of Tyre and Sidon, just as He foreknew. True, or False?

Yes, God chose not to perform those miracles, but that does not mean they did not have enough evidence to repent.(Rom.1:20) What Jesus is saying here is how much greater the punishment will be for those cities since they had more truth to overcome.

Now, since you believe in Unconditional election, how could Christ be saying that those cities would have repented? Wouldn't God have to regenerate them first? How could they repent if it was decreed that they not do so? Those verses are far more damaging to your view of Total Depravity then it is to mine that God wants all to repent. Under Total Depravity, it should not be possible for them to repent with more or less evidence since it is not dependent on them, but on the One who Predestinated them-right?

You know why you are not answering?

You see why I have to treat you guys the way I do, you are just pompus windbags. You are to used to talking among yourselves and patting each other on the back saying how smart you are. Oh, in case you haven't noticed, I did answer

Because you know that what Jesus is teaching here is that God specifically pre-determines the individual choices of Men.

Now, I am baffled? How do you get the clear words saying that if they had seen the miracles of Christ they would have repented to mean Predestination?

You guys are screwballs!

These are the specific words of Jesus. And I accuse you of understanding His words, and hating them. Prove me wrong. Answer the question.

I did. Ofcourse, no Calvinist thinks he ever has to answer a question. That verse is against predestination, not for it!

By the way, knock off the 'true or false' routine. I am not sitting in a witness box.

True or False, God is Love.

How many times has any Calvinist ever used the words Love or Happiness?

In Jerry's #691, he quotes the above question posed by ftD and answers it beautifully.

And I now have a comment to add, based on your #692, in which you said to ftD

These are the specific words of Jesus.
And I accuse you of understanding His words, and hating them.

We mainstream Calvinists do love the Lord Who is called the Word, and yet we have to spend all of our time confronting the rank hypocrisies of smug churchgoers who do not clearly love the Lord--despite their confessions and various mantras.

Your comment to ftD was right on target. In a very strange way, ftD hates God's Word. Somehow, some way, he needs to see this problem fixed.

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Aside to Race and to lurkers: You still haven't grappled honestly with my #73. And you can't answer our #681, 684 and 690, taken together, as explaining 1 John 2:2. I'm sure you can link a Bible church website again, but that won't do you any good.

Besides, you need to notice that OP's #692 crushes your Roman Catholic position. I am not gloating over OP's work. I am alarmed that we have FReepers who refuse to submit to the Truth no matter what.

If you claim to love the Lord Jesus, puh-leez start being honest about the mess you have gotten yourself into. That's the most loving thing I could say to you.