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To: xzins,White Mountain, RnMomof7,CCWoody
Resolved: that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is The Restored Church of Jesus Christ, led by true and living apostles and prophets who labor under the Savior's direction, with authority from Him to preach the Gospel and administer the ordinances thereof.

Then how do you have a church that denies a personal relationship with Jesus, to be His church?

Jesus Himself said, that there is no marriage in heaven, yet your doctrine says that a perfect marriage is the only way that you can get into heaven, unless I guess for the secret password that you are given in a temple rite? Where in the Scriptures did God ever mention a secret password? This is Greek Gnosticism, pure and simple.

You are saved through works, you believe, and dismiss the doctrine of Grace as unimportant. You don't even believe in the NT, do you, believing what you have been taught, not to read it, or any other writings that you have been told are anti-Mormon. You think God has a human body because Smith claimed to meet Him face to face. The prophet Isaiah said no man can look on God and live, and thus your prophet is biblically proved a charlatran. The Hebrew word for face, does not mean literal face, and if you were allowed to study Hebrew, you would know that.

You rely on emotion, not the Word of God, or the knowledge of Jesus Christ, for whatever it is you call faith. You deny that the Holy Spirit dwells within, contradicting the very words of Christ Himself.

You do not know hermeneutics, nor are you allowed too. Your leaders pick and choose the verses for you to believe in, and they tell you what to believe.

Your church leaders have rewritten your church history and hide the truth from you. Just try researching it and asking about it. They will show you the door, won't they?

There is no archaeological evidence for your fantastic claims about the civilizations in the Americas. None, nada, yet there are for many of those in the OT and NT.

When scholars did obtain and translate the Egyptian papyrus that Smith claimed to have translated, it was found to be a common burial text, easily brought back at that time from travelers to Egypt. He is a proven liar. His closest associates called him a liar and were promptly excommunicated too, weren't they?

As for the ridiculous claim that he is the Joseph of the bible, what can even be said? Bad hermeneutics, and if you think "smith" mentioned once in the OT, is a prophecy about him, that's just as ridiculous. Then bear in mind that Tubal Cain was the progenitor of smiths, so maybe he is yours after all.

Most distressing, WM is that you are empty and unfulfilled and an unsaved soul,without a personal saving relationship with the Lord Jesus. You know that hunger and that emptiness that all the religious works and busyness cannot fill.Your coming over here is no accident. Think about it. Accept Christ into your heart and ask Him to show you the truth today. In Christ, TTC

1,781 posted on 02/06/2002 11:02:25 PM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: la$tminutepardon
Your #1781:

Your post is so full of errors, false accusations, misattributions, and misinterpretations, that I can hardly find a true statement to work with.

If you so choose, you will continue to rave on, but I will say in advance: You are sadly and grossly misinformed. You are not telling the truth about my faith, or my motives, or hardly anything.

As I pointed out yesterday (#1772), I no longer have any basis to hope to have a rational discussion with you.

1,783 posted on 02/06/2002 11:49:03 PM PST by White Mountain
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To: la$tminutepardon
I am going to catch up on reading this now that my conference is over.
1,785 posted on 02/07/2002 5:48:49 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: la$tminutepardon
To: la$tminutepardon
Your #1781:

Your post is so full of errors, false accusations, misattributions, and misinterpretations, that I can hardly find a true statement to work with.
If you so choose, you will continue to rave on, but I will say in advance: You are sadly and grossly misinformed. You are not telling the truth about my faith, or my motives, or hardly anything.
As I pointed out yesterday (#1772), I no longer have any basis to hope to have a rational discussion with you.

In other words he does not have an answer..That is where all the Christians have gone.

Jesus gave His message and them said "Let him that has ears hear" and He moved on..Shake the dust from your shoes brother..you have NO common ground with WM ..He denies the book you rely on .

1,786 posted on 02/07/2002 6:50:45 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: la$tminutepardon
Jesus Himself said, that there is no marriage in heaven, yet your doctrine says that a perfect marriage is the only way that you can get into heaven, unless I guess for the secret password that you are given in a temple rite? Where in the Scriptures did God ever mention a secret password? This is Greek Gnosticism, pure and simple.

I dated a grand-daughter of some LDS important person in my "thought I was saved but wasn't days." It was my first exposure to this and the idea of proxy marriage.

1,803 posted on 02/09/2002 12:04:56 PM PST by CCWoody
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