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To: CCWoody; RnMomof7
Your #1124, and RnMom's #1119 and #1121:

They are true prophets and apostles.

If you really want me to answer this stuff, you might want to give me some reliable basis to believe that these are honest questions. When both of you run my faith down in the process of asking the questions, I know better.

Considering your track record, it will take quite a bit for you to build up a reliable basis. However, I might answer some of these things for my own amusement anyway.

1,132 posted on 01/25/2002 4:27:57 PM PST by White Mountain
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To: White Mountain;CCWoody
We have accused you of being a wolf in sheep's clothing working to deceive even the elect if that were possible..

Now if we are in error and you are in fact a Christian..you should have no problem affirming the trinity ..One God..Father,Son and Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit a "person " or a "force". Do you believe that the Father has a body of flesh and bones. Do you believe He has Spirit wives that He has sex with?

We need Yes and No answers to these questions WM..you want to have spiritual dialogue with Bible Believing Christians.. we demand you affirm your status as a Christian,if your opinion of the Holy Word of the Triune God is to be given serious considerstion!

1,145 posted on 01/25/2002 5:22:16 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: White Mountain; RnMomof7; OrthodoxPresbyterian; the_doc; Jerry_M; zadok; ALL
They [Brigham Young & Joseph Smith] are true prophets and apostles.

If you really want me to answer this stuff, you might want to give me some reliable basis to believe that these are honest questions. When both of you run my faith down in the process of asking the questions, I know better. - White Mountain

You, sir are nothing more than a wolf under the guise of sheep. You have no cause to complain about "running down people's faith"; for you spend all your time seeking to run down the Doctrines of Grace.


For example, your #196, wherein among other things you bring up the false Adam-God Theory, something you like to think President Young taught, but which he didn't.

You won't be able to back that up from LDS Scripture, so don't bring it up unless you think you can.

384 posted on 1/20/02 7:10 PM Pacific by White Mountain

This is the heading that appeared in Millennial Star vol. 15, November 16, 1853 and Journal of Discourses 1:46

ADAM, Our Father and Our GOD

Page 50:

When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archange, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken - He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do.... When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.

June 18, 1873, The Desert News (p. 308, col. 4):

How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I revealed to them and which God revealed to me--namely that Adam is our Father and our God…. Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him…. He brought one of his wives with him, and she was called Eve.


Now, the question I have, since you have already conceded to me that Brigham Young is a prophet and apostle of the Latter Day Saints, why have you been expressly denying this to all of us on FR? Perhaps it is because you know that you can never openly admit to this and still maintain your fraudulent claim to be a Christian. Perhaps it is because you really don't know that this blasphemy is taught in your church. In any event, I have revealed it for all. Furthermore, it is still in your books:


D&C 27: 11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days;

D&C 138: 38 Among the great and mighty ones who were assembled in this vast congregation of the righteous were Father Adam, the Ancient of Days and father of all,

BD Adam

The name Adam is given to the first man of the human family on this earth as cited in the account of the creation in the books of Genesis, Moses, and Abraham, and in many instances in the New Testament, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants. From these scriptures we learn that Adam is the father and patriarch of the human race on the earth. The aggregate of the scriptures certifies that his transgression in the garden of Eden, although designated as a "fall," was necessary to the advancement and spiritual progress of humanity on this earth, and Adam rightly should be honored, not denigrated. Adam is the Ancient of Days and is also known as Michael. He is the archangel and will come again to the earth in power and glory as the patriarch of the human family, preparatory to the second coming of Jesus Christ (Dan. 7: 9-14; D&C 116; HC 3: 385-387; HC 4: 207-8).

BD Daniel, Book of

The prophetic visions present a succession of world-monarchies, the last of which will severely persecute the saints, but will be brought to an end by the judgment of God. Ch. 7, under the symbolism of beasts, shows how, at the end, the world-kingdoms give place to the kingdom of God. This chapter also contains the vision of "One like unto a Son of Man" standing before the Ancient of Days to receive power and glory. The "Son of Man" is Jesus Christ. Latter-day revelation identifies the Ancient of Days as Adam (D&C 116), who is also known as Michael (D&C 128: 21; cf. Dan. 10: 13, 21; Dan. 12: 1). A testimony of mankind’s resurrection is given in ch. 12.

BD Michael

Mentioned in Dan. 10: 13, 21; Dan. 12: 1; Jude 1: 9; Rev. 12: 7. He is called the Archangel. Latter-day revelation informs us that Michael is Adam, the Ancient of Days (Dan. 7), a prince, and the patriarch of the human family (D&C 27: 11; D&C 107: 53-56; D&C 128: 21).

1,148 posted on 01/25/2002 6:04:38 PM PST by CCWoody
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