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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Are unrepentant murderers and adulterers indwelt by the Holy Spirit?"

I am not quite sure what that has to do with a Man's ability to lose his salvation........so you tell me.

"If a Saved Man commits murder and adultery, and is not Repentant, does he remain Saved?"

I dont know the importance of the crimes listed...sin is sin...
I dont know where the threshold would be in that case though....he obviously would have opportunity to repent. I would suppose if he didnt repent then that disobedience would open the door for Satan to begin to darken his understanding until line upon line he could fully return to unbelief.

I just dont know at what point the Lord deliniates between the person remaining in faith and then crossing back into unbelief.

I have given up on your second question.

1,086 posted on 01/24/2002 10:59:17 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
Your position was that if after being saved, I do not seek forgiveness from God for transgressions then I never was saved in the first place.

You have misunderstood my position. I am sorry if I was not more clear about this earlier, I was occupied with other things.

I do not believe that a true believer can lose his or her salvation.

If a person claiming to be a believer does not willingly repent of his or her sin, they were never a believer to begin with.

1,094 posted on 01/25/2002 2:41:17 AM PST by zadok
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To: VaBthang4, A.J.Armitage
"Are unrepentant murderers and adulterers indwelt by the Holy Spirit?" -- I am not quite sure what that has to do with a Man's ability to lose his salvation........so you tell me.

Gee, I am just not sure either. That is why I am ASKING you. You know a great deal about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, no? And about that subject, I simply require a "yes" or "no" answer, for my own information:

Well? Yes, or No?

"If a Saved Man commits murder and adultery, and is not Repentant, does he remain Saved?" ~~ I dont know the importance of the crimes listed...sin is sin... I dont know where the threshold would be in that case though....he obviously would have opportunity to repent. I would suppose if he didnt repent then that disobedience would open the door for Satan to begin to darken his understanding until line upon line he could fully return to unbelief. I just dont know at what point the Lord deliniates between the person remaining in faith and then crossing back into unbelief.

If a Saved Christian man committed adultery and murder and six months passed and he did not repent one bit, would he still be Saved if he died that night? Why or why not?


I have given up on your second question.

WHAT?!?! You are not even able to read eight verses of Matthew?

Good grief. You should sit at A.J.Armitage's feet and plead with him, "teach me, rabbi, for I am not even able to read eight verses in a row. I need your understanding, I am a child in the Faith, and you are learned and wise, and able to read and understand eight or more verses in a row!!"

Why don't you try again.

First, try reading the Scripture...

Now, we'll break it into three questions, concerning the specific evidence of this passage:


1,106 posted on 01/25/2002 7:17:43 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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