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SAUDIS TELL U.S. FORCES TO GET OUT
The Guardian ^ | 01-18-02 | The Guardian

Posted on 01/18/2002 5:13:23 PM PST by StopDemocratsDotCom

Saudis tell US forces to get out ;Foreign soldiers seen as political liability

Saudi Arabia's rulers are poised to throw US strategy in the Middle East into disarray by asking Washington to pull its forces out of the kingdom because they have become a "political liability". Senior Saudi officials have privately complained that the US has "outstayed its welcome" and that the kingdom may soon request that the American presence - a product of the Gulf war - is brought to an end.

Both the White House and the US state department insisted yesterday that the military arrangement between the two countries was still working. The White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said that the president, George Bush, "believes that our presence in the region has a very helpful and stabilising effect in a dangerous region".

Relations between the US and Saudi Arabia, Washington's closest Arab ally, have been severely strained since September 11. Both sides have been desperately denying for months that there is a rift.

The US is reluctant to withdraw its 4,500 troops from the Prince Sultan air base, south of Saudi's capital Riyadh, because it could be perceived as a propaganda victory for Osama bin Laden, who frequently protested at the presence of non-believers so close to the main Muslim holy sites.

But the increasingly brittle and vulnerable ruling House of Saud is nervous about an internal revolt by Bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network and other extremist militants, and has been publicly loosening its links with Washington.

The huge Prince Sultan air base played a crucial logistical role in the bombing of Afghanistan. Withdrawal would upset the military balance in the Middle East by providing a boost to the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein. US planes based in Saudi regularly bomb along the Iraqi border as part of its policy of containment of Saddam.

Britain, which jointly patrols the Iraqi no-fly zone with the US, has planes based both in Saudi and Kuwait. A pull-out by Washington would switch the focus to the British air base in Kuwait, whose leaders try to avoid drawing attention to the British presence.

Two senior US state department officials have been in Saudi this week: William Burns, the assistant secretary for the near east, and Lincoln Bloomfield, the assistant secretary for political and military affairs.

The US state department insisted yesterday that at no point during Mr Bloomfield's visit, either formally or informally, had the Saudis said they wanted the US to leave.

But the US ambassador to Saudi, Robert Jordan, was quoted as saying when Mr Bloomfield arrived in the kingdom: "He is here for consultations with the Saudi government to review our presence here and to discuss what we need and what we don't need."

The US secretary of state, Colin Powell, who is in Nepal, denied the Saudis wanted a withdrawal: "There has been no discussion of such an issue."

Many in the US have been upset with Saudi because not only is it Bin Laden's native country but 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in the September 11 attacks were from the kingdom. The Saudi media have reported that about 200 Saudis have been captured in Afghanistan fighting with al-Qaida and the Taliban.

The kingdom is volatile, with a stagnant economy, high unemployment, no democratic outlets and King Fahd unable to crack down on militant clerics.

Hostility to the US is widespread but that is mirrored in the US where there is a huge well of resentment that, having fought to push back Iraq in 1991 and having protected Saudi since, Riyadh refused to provide military help during the Afghan campaign.

Reflecting this, Carl Levin, who heads the US Senate armed services committee, said: "We need a base in that region, but it seems to me we should find a place that is more hospitable."

Bin Laden listed as the main justifications for the attacks on New York and Washington the presence of the US soldiers in the kingdom, US support for Israel in the conflict with the Palestinians, and the US campaign against Iraq. He said six years ago: "There is no more important duty than pushing the American enemy out of the holy land [of Arabia]."

The US could continue its containment of Iraq from aircraft carriers based in the Gulf. But the US air force secretary, James Roche, said a pull-out would make life awkward: "It would be difficult, unless we could replicate the air operations centre somewhere else."


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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Unless I'm missing some behind-the-scenes stuff, this strikes me as a very poor move. Even aside from the downside for the U.S., it would be bad for the House of Saud itself, on several levels.

First, it's always a bad idea to reduce military strength for "policital" reasons.

Second, rather than mollify the militants (both internal, and Al Qaeda and others), it would only send them the message that they can get what they want if they cause enough chaos -- so they have every incentive to try *more*, for *more* "reforms" to their liking.

Third, if the militants ever get strong enough to mount direct confrontation, a US military presence would be a big asset to the Sauds.

Fourth, the nations of the Middle East are at a turning point. Do they choose the road which leads to further ties, commerce, prosperity, and peace with the west, or do they make further and further concessions to the forces of Islamic radicalism? This is a big step down the wrong path for the Sauds.

21 posted on 01/18/2002 5:29:53 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Alrighty then. I think we should tell Sadam that Saudi Arabia is fair game.
22 posted on 01/18/2002 5:30:06 PM PST by oldvike
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Senior Saudi officials have privately complained that the US has "outstayed its welcome"

Why do I get the feeling that Saudi may be past its "best before" date?

23 posted on 01/18/2002 5:31:00 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
I guess they really want to be a province of Iraq.
24 posted on 01/18/2002 5:31:25 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
I don't buy it. Not for a second.

First, you have to try to put yourself into the gold-plated shoes of the Saudi Royal family. They're fat, ultra-rich cowards. Their hold on their country is tenuous at best due to their repressiveness, rampant nepotism, and hoarding of the oil-rich nation's wealth. The U.S. made them. We found their oil while they were wandering the deserts shooting sh*t-eating lizards for dinner. We drilled for it. We pumped it. We built pipelines to transport it. We built the refineries. We provided the ships to get it out.

We protected them with OUR national treasure; our military, our boys and young ladies, OUR equipment, OUR cost when a**holes like Hussein would have overrun their pathetically weak butts in a day or two.

No, we're the only thing keeping them from utter mayhem, and as stupid, cowardly, ungrateful, and backstabbing as they are..........they're not total idiots.

With all that said, it wouldn't break my heart one little bit to tell them to "respectfully, f**k off" and pull out en masse. Then, we watch 'em fall to internal forces or Hussein or........whoever. THEN, we come back in and clean house and take over that freakin' lake of oil that they're floating atop.

25 posted on 01/18/2002 5:31:57 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Interesting. Wonder what the think-tanks would predict on this one. Let me make a guess:

US pulls out, there is joy in the streets. Then the mullahs start pointing fingers at the house of saud and before you can snap your fingers, the road to mecca is lined with the heads of the royal family, on pikes.

Whether it be fear or manipulation, the house of saud has absolute need of the infidels and their military technology. The US is the thin red/white/and blue line keeping them in power. If they want to cut off the tree branch they are standing on, then let them fall!

26 posted on 01/18/2002 5:32:46 PM PST by Dubh_Ghlase
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
If we leave, we better destroy EVERY bit of that command and control center. Do not leave ANY usable landing strips, towers, etc. Screw 'em.
27 posted on 01/18/2002 5:33:16 PM PST by demsux
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The US should leave. The Saudis are not our friends and we can certainly get oil elsewhere.
28 posted on 01/18/2002 5:33:20 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Easy. Let Saddam invade. Let hiim chill there for a few month. Then, we'll offer our Saudi "friends" to bail them.... on our conditions (ie, after our victory we get oil at 80% off).
29 posted on 01/18/2002 5:34:22 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
I don't think the Guardian is a reliable source of anything except anti-America propaganda.

But I do think we should get out of Arabia.
Just long enough to let Sadaam thoroughly destroy them. We can ignore their pleas for help. "You kicked us out, it's YOUR problem."

Then we should go in and destroy Sadaam, take Arabia and Iraq as colonies and pump that oil out of the ground at bargain rates.

31 posted on 01/18/2002 5:34:28 PM PST by LibKill
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
This may be true but... Twice within the last month there have been full page ads in the Dallas Morning News paid for by the Saudi Govt.

They have a black background with a dove flying across the middle of the page. Can't remember all the details - but it says something like "the people of Saudi Arabia stand in friendship with the United States".

This has run twice that I know of in the front page section of the paper. Anyone else notice this in their papers?

32 posted on 01/18/2002 5:35:48 PM PST by shattered
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Time to put an end to the charade and throw the Saudi Royal family out of power and impose a governmrnt of our own. Take over the oil fields and pump them dry by giving away the oil at rock bottom prices and keeping the profits for ourselves.

Let's see these people advance by themselves. They haven't invested a dime on infrastructure to be an industrious nation. They used all the money to live in opulence and luxury at the expense of the people.

And while we are at it we can let the Turks level Medina and build an even bigger fortress there.

When someone spits in your eye you had better piss on their grave.

33 posted on 01/18/2002 5:36:03 PM PST by Cacique
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
OK, who wants a big, rich American airbase filled with big, rich American airmen. Who wants a boost to their local economy? Who wants to put their people to work at a local airbase making lots of money?
34 posted on 01/18/2002 5:37:34 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
You can always rely on those screaming Guardian headlines to misrepresent the facts. "Saudis tell U.S. Forces To Get Out" is a far cry from "Senior Saudi officials have privately complained that the US has 'outstayed its welcome' and that the kingdom may soon request that the American presence - a product of the Gulf war - is brought to an end." Headline says its happened, article says it hasn't. Business as usual. And the implication that Saudi's economy is in the toilet is pure rubbish. The fact is that the royal family, for all their wealth, is incredibly weak and cowed by the islamic militants within its own borders and without. They would fall if we left.
35 posted on 01/18/2002 5:37:44 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: BrooklynGOP
Easy. Let Saddam invade. Let hiim chill there for a few month. Then, we'll offer our Saudi "friends" to bail them.... on our conditions (ie, after our victory we get oil at 80% off).

Even better: let Saddam have the Muslim holy sites in the Hijaz in western Arabia, and let Israel have the "Sharqiyah" province of eastern Arabia by the Gulf where all the oil is! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

36 posted on 01/18/2002 5:38:35 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: DainBramage
...tough implications for the protection of Israel if we were needed.

Good Lord! Let's hope not one single American boy or girl is ever sent to die for Israel!

37 posted on 01/18/2002 5:38:51 PM PST by Arleigh
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
Nothing 12 more carriers wont solve...
38 posted on 01/18/2002 5:39:03 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: StopDemocratsDotCom
It would seem that the Saudis, and by extension the Arab world, has said they have no desire for peaceful relatins with the US. So be it. Let Israel off the leash and let it be known that Iraq is on our list for elimination. We no longer have to play around with diplomatic niceties with the Sauds.
39 posted on 01/18/2002 5:40:10 PM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: ken21;stopdemocratsdotcom
so be it.

First we take the oil; then we leave.

40 posted on 01/18/2002 5:41:07 PM PST by bloodmeridian
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