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WTC Flag Raising Petition Breaks 10,000 signatures in two days!
Petitiononline Flag Raising Petition ^ | January 17, 2001 | Jeff Head

Posted on 01/17/2002 7:36:44 AM PST by Jeff Head

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Before 9/11 we had USA military in 140 countries around the world.
There were plans to cut the number of troops in Bosnia at that time.
Due to 9/11 our military is expanding to more countries.
In fact US Military expansion is now the greatest in US history.
Please take a moment to e-mail someone in the military and say Thanks.
Just click on the globe and you will be in
The USO Canteen Post Office

61 posted on 01/17/2002 9:33:53 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Species8472
Oooooh! Thanks for the bump list info!
62 posted on 01/17/2002 9:34:20 AM PST by citizen
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To: Jeff Head
Knew you'd made the big time when they mentioned it on Fox News this morning. Congratulations on a job well done!
63 posted on 01/17/2002 9:37:10 AM PST by Reagan's_Mom
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To: citizen; nycgal; green
13000+ at the 48 hour mark. Amazing.

... and continuing.

Let's keep the pressure on!

64 posted on 01/17/2002 9:38:58 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
This is a wonderful project, but I also feel that the underwriter of this atrocity, Forest City Ratner, should be made to pay economically for this divisive statue. My understanding is that it's a real estate concern---developing strip malls and similar projects. I also remember a Kosher dairy restaurant on Delancey Street on Manhattan's Lower East Side called "Ratner's"---I wonder if it's related to Forest City Ratner?

Anyway, my idea is that an economic boycott be organized against Forest City Ratner and any other Ratner businesses we find out about.

65 posted on 01/17/2002 9:40:34 AM PST by Map Kernow
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To: Jeff Head
Folks, I can't take credit for this pic. It was posted by "rundy" on another thread yesterday, but I believe it depicts the liberal PC mindset very accurately...ROTFLMAO

rundy, btw, I hope you don't mind me borrowing your pic

66 posted on 01/17/2002 9:44:40 AM PST by One4Indictment
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To: Map Kernow
Ellen Ratner is the brother of the owner. Here is the address of their company directory http://www.fcrc.com/compdir.asp
67 posted on 01/17/2002 9:52:32 AM PST by ao98
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To: Jeff Head; pistol pakn mama; mercuria; bob j; clinton's a liar;
Thanks for the heads up Jeff.

This petition should be taken up at CPAC in a couple of weeks.

There will be many live computors on hand there. There should also be hard copies avaiable for signature at the many booths.

68 posted on 01/17/2002 9:54:09 AM PST by the irate magistrate
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To: Jeff Head
From the Bergen (NJ) Record (the newspaper holding the copyright):

Some advice for FDNY

Thursday, January 17, 2002

By MIKE KELLY Record Columnist

Small cracks now run through the wall of stubbornness erected by New York City's Fire Department to defend its memorial to the firefighters killed at the World Trade Center. Can a workable solution be next? Let's hope so.

In supporting a politically correct statue of three firefighters raising the Stars and Stripes above the Trade Center rubble, the department risks dividing its 11,300 members -- and, no exaggeration, a nation in need of unity.

What's wrong with the statue? First, the FDNY tried to rewrite history, replacing the three ordinary-looking white firefighters who actually raised the flag Sept. 11 with a hunky, multicultural ensemble of models who posed for the sculptor.

Of course, America knows the real truth of that flag-raising, thanks to a photograph by The Record's Thomas E. Franklin. The widely published photo became a unifying icon, reminding our wounded nation of a profoundly simple truth -- that despite hardships, Americans can pull together.

Such a photo -- indeed, such a historic moment -- should never be tampered with. The FDNY's ham-handed revision of history threatens to pull us apart. America is drawn to the reality of the photo, not manipulated diversity in the name of artistry. The real flag-raising transcends skin color. The statue draws attention to it.

Faced with criticism over the replacement of the all-white, all-real trio with white, black, and Hispanic models, the department dug in its heels. It refused to listen to critics, suggesting that anyone who opposed such diversity was racist.

But the issue is not race; it's historical accuracy, the subtle glue that strengthens our common values. Now the department is reportedly looking for a way out of the mess. Or as one official notes: "We have to react."

I have a solution.

First, let's all acknowledge that the Fire Department and the sculptor meant no real harm in trying to portray a variety of groups in a memorial statue. Their key mistake was in naively trying to do too much with too little.

My suggestion: Keep the statue, but make it historically accurate -- right down to the beer guts, wrinkles, sweaty T-shirts, and the dusty smudges on the arms and uniforms of the three ordinary firefighters. Following the lead of the the sculptor of the historically accurate U.S. Marines' Iwo Jima statue, the sculptor of the flag-raising should ask the three real firefighters to pose.

And if the sculptor wants to base the statue on Franklin's photograph, then he ought to pay attention to the subtle nuances of that wondrous image. The clay rendition of the statue -- unveiled in haste just before the departure of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani -- includes all manner of changes that make no sense. One firefighter's arms were raised higher than in the photo. Another's beer gut was gone. All three were standing differently. Even the flag unfurled differently than in the photograph of the real event.

And then there was race. At ground zero, victims and rescuers came from all races, sexes, and religions. So why honor only men who are white, black, and Hispanic in a statue? What about women? Or Asians?

To honor more, you need more statues. My solution: How about a whole sculpture garden that depicts a panorama at ground zero?

Keep the flag-raising as the centerpiece, but place it amid statues of firefighters on bucket brigades, firefighters with hoses, firefighters carrying the injured to safety. Include men and women, hardened vets and fresh-faced rookies, stout firefighters who lifted debris and skinny guys who crawled underneath. From every race. The real stuff is the right stuff.


69 posted on 01/17/2002 9:58:19 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: Jeff Head
Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.
Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
Will you too echo Patrick Henry when this petition also gets slighted from the throne of the PC-dom and the PC-pushers emerge victorious.
70 posted on 01/17/2002 10:34:53 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Jeff Head
Super! Thanks, Jeff.
71 posted on 01/17/2002 10:37:32 AM PST by blam
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Due to 9/11 our military is expanding to more countries.
In fact US Military expansion is now the greatest in US history.

IMO that is not a good thing. It runs counter to everything the Founding Fathers intended.
72 posted on 01/17/2002 10:37:46 AM PST by philman_36
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I'll keep trying until convinced, as was Henry, that there is no hope remaining in that recourse.

Right now, even if they do not respond (which in this case I think we will witness the desired response) we are educating and stirring to activity thousands of our fellow Americans. That is a good thing, whichever way the crucible falls.

73 posted on 01/17/2002 10:58:57 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
14,929
74 posted on 01/17/2002 11:13:34 AM PST by Free Trapper
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To: Free Trapper
15,028.. unbelievable response!!!
75 posted on 01/17/2002 11:17:47 AM PST by TxBec
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To: CedarDave
Keep the flag-raising as the centerpiece, but place it amid statues of firefighters on bucket brigades, firefighters with hoses, firefighters carrying the injured to safety. Include men and women, hardened vets and fresh-faced rookies, stout firefighters who lifted debris and skinny guys who crawled underneath. From every race. The real stuff is the right stuff.

sounds reasonable to me.

76 posted on 01/17/2002 11:22:05 AM PST by TxBec
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To: B4Ranch
bump, signed it the other day.
77 posted on 01/17/2002 11:22:47 AM PST by GailA
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To: DaveCooper
People might also want to visit the Forest City Ratner web site; it has a "contact" link on the various "Projects," "Company Info," and "News" subsidiary pages.
78 posted on 01/17/2002 11:25:56 AM PST by jejones
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To: TxBec
15200+
79 posted on 01/17/2002 11:29:12 AM PST by CPT Clay
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1st Day - 1700 Signatures (1/2 Day)
2nd Day - 5300 Signatures (Full Day)
Today - 9000 Signatures (thru 2:00 PM Mountain)

Total right at 16,000.

It is an amazing response. FR, Petitononline and a LOT of dedicated, liberty loving activists have made it possible. The Fire Departments around the country are really kicking in to this too.

80 posted on 01/17/2002 12:06:21 PM PST by Jeff Head
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