[Antoninus]

(if those are the objectives.. it would appear that we have lost the war ya know..)

Huh? Could you explain that, please?

Actually, there's no complete victory or total defeat in a culture war (short of armed repression). As long as a few reject the dominant culture, the war goes on. Right now, the left may have us down, but some of us are ready to get off the mat. If we don't they'll just continue to kick us in the ribs anyway!

[Jhoffa_]

I know..

I was just being bitter at all we have sacrificed thus far in this "culture war"