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To: Texaggie79
The "state" is ultimately the people. Why do I not have a right to live in a community with common values?

You have that right, but the catch is EVERYONE has to agree to these "common values". If everyone does not agree, then you are initiating force.

Why should we be forced to tolerate such destructive activities in our streets and neighborhoods?

There you go again with the word "force". And again, I tell you to BUY ALL THE PROPERTY AROUND YOU, and it will be YOUR community. First, you tell us that we own everyone's body except ours, and now you say we own everyone's property except ours. At least you are consistent.

Why shouldn't states be allowed to decide for themselves?

Come one tex, you know states can not "decide for themselves" right now. We have been through this dozens of times. And yes, specifically me, you and OWK.

If you were in power, would you FORCE all states to take a Libertarian stance on all these things, thereby destroying the greatest gift our founders gave us?

Oh, come on. The reliance upon "libertarian stances" IS the definition of non-force. Anything to the contrary IS FORCE. So yes, STATES would be "forced" to not "initiate force".

168 posted on 01/15/2002 9:04:05 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: FreeTally
If everyone does not agree, then you are initiating force.

Ah yes, but you see, they agree by choosing to live there. From the time of each state's establishment, every person therein freely chooses to abide by its laws, in their choice to live there.

Come one tex, you know states can not "decide for themselves" right now.

Yes, and I oppose the tyrannical actions by the fed to prevent such constitutional activities. But that does not change the fact that that is what was meant by the founders.

So yes, STATES would be "forced" to not "initiate force".

I have already established that force cannot be specifically defined. I consider having to see a man legally smoke crack while I walk down the street is force upon me to tolerate such garbage. Someone else might see that being arrested for aiming their gun in a particular direction is FORCE initiated against them for the use of their own property.

You simply take your and the LP's definition of "force" and apply it as fact, and use the "because we said so" argument to defend it.

184 posted on 01/15/2002 9:18:38 AM PST by Texaggie79
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