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To: FreeTally
If everyone does not agree, then you are initiating force.

Ah yes, but you see, they agree by choosing to live there. From the time of each state's establishment, every person therein freely chooses to abide by its laws, in their choice to live there.

Come one tex, you know states can not "decide for themselves" right now.

Yes, and I oppose the tyrannical actions by the fed to prevent such constitutional activities. But that does not change the fact that that is what was meant by the founders.

So yes, STATES would be "forced" to not "initiate force".

I have already established that force cannot be specifically defined. I consider having to see a man legally smoke crack while I walk down the street is force upon me to tolerate such garbage. Someone else might see that being arrested for aiming their gun in a particular direction is FORCE initiated against them for the use of their own property.

You simply take your and the LP's definition of "force" and apply it as fact, and use the "because we said so" argument to defend it.

184 posted on 01/15/2002 9:18:38 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
I have already established that force cannot be specifically defined. I consider having to see a man legally smoke crack while I walk down the street is force upon me to tolerate such garbage

That's not force -- that's expecting you to accept that you can't change things you dislike. Force isn't very subtle. If I punch you in the nose, that's force. If I kick down your door, that's force. If I make you sad, that's not force.

Get it?
187 posted on 01/15/2002 9:21:06 AM PST by WindMinstrel
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