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From scientist to saint: does Darwin deserve a day?
The Guardian (UK) ^ | Sunday January 13, 2002 | Robin McKie, science editor

Posted on 01/13/2002 8:47:59 AM PST by aculeus

He was the originator of the most dangerous idea in history. He disenfranchised God as our creator and revealed the animal origins of humanity. Many believe his influence was pernicious and evil.

But now a campaign has been launched to establish an international day of celebration on 12 February: birthday of Charles Darwin, author of the theory of evolution by natural selection.

'Along with Shakespeare and Newton, Darwin is our greatest gift to the world,' said Richard Dawkins, honorary president of the Darwin Day Organisation. 'He was our greatest thinker. Any campaign to recognise his greatness should have a significant British contribution.'

The Darwin campaign was launched by US activists two years ago to resist the anti-evolution campaigning of fundamental Christians. Now the aim is to create global celebrations by 2009, the bicentennial of his birthday.

'We have little chance of getting a national holiday for Darwin in the US - there is far too much anti-science and pseudoscience,' said project organiser Amanda Chesworth.'We are more likely to get one established in Europe, particularly in Britain, his birthplace.'

Celebrations will include seminars and lectures, and the showing of films and plays on Darwin's life, though other ideas include an atheist giving Radio 4's Thought for the Day, and a lesson on evolution being preached at Westminster Abbey. 'I'd do it like a shot,' said Dawkins.

Darwin was originally religious. He saw nature's diversity as proof of God's existence. Only a divine creator could be responsible for such marvels, it was then thought. But, after travelling the world in the Beagle, and after years of thought and experiment at his Down House home in Kent, he concluded that natural selection offered a better explanation.

Life forms better suited to their environments live longer and so have more offspring, thus triggering an evolution of species moving into new ecological niches. As philosopher Daniel Dennett said, it was 'the single best idea anyone has ever had... ahead of Newton and Einstein and everyone else.'

It is also remarkably simple. 'You can explain natural selection to a teenager,' said UK biologist John Maynard Smith. 'You have difficulty with Newton and little chance with Einstein. Yet Darwin's idea is the most profound. It still haunts us.'

Nor is opposition to Darwin confined to religious figures. Sociologists, psychologists and others involved in social policy hate natural selection, said Maynard Smith. 'They deny human behaviour is influenced by genes and evolution. They want to believe we are isolated from the animal kingdom. It is damaging, intellectual laziness. That is why we need a Darwin Day.

This point was backed by biologist Steve Jones. 'If you look at Africa, US fundamentalism, and the Muslim world, you realise evolution supporters are outnumbered by creationists. Yet these are people who have deliberately chosen to be ignorant. They are flat-Earthers without the sophistication. We need a Darwin Day to counter that ignorance.'


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To: jejones
The village creationist at the university I attended was an engineering professor,

Lots of them at NASA too. :(

41 posted on 01/13/2002 10:57:44 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Exnihilo
"Bunny, when you respond with a snide remark, expect no less in return"

Well, not to throw wrench in the tangled mess you regard as a "logic process" but:


To: memetic

Daniel Dennett is an atheist. (ie. moron)

7 posted on 1/13/02 10:01 AM Pacific by Exnihilo


...seems to me that YOU'RE the jerk that kicked off the snide remarks in this thread.

42 posted on 01/13/2002 10:57:58 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: jejones
Creationism is no more bogus than evolution. I guess this debate really won't be settled until all of us have passed on. And at that point, you'll either know nothing, or that we were right.
43 posted on 01/13/2002 11:10:33 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: jejones
lol...I wasn't basing my observations on beliefs...they were based on behavior.
44 posted on 01/13/2002 11:21:23 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Diplomat
Creationism is no more bogus than evolution.

Yeah, and astrology is no more bogus than astronomy. Oh, wait ... one is based upon superstition and one is based upon empirical evidence. hmmm

45 posted on 01/13/2002 11:22:21 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: jejones
Very smart people can build quite complicated deductive edifices atop bogus premises.

Have to agree. Creationists are like Marxists. They can be very smart. But they are very wrong.

46 posted on 01/13/2002 11:23:46 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: jejones
If I remember rightly, Copernicus came after Galileo, saw what happened to him, and didn't have De Revolutionibus published until he was just about dead, or possibly posthumously, to avoid getting into the same kind of trouble.

You've got them mixed up. Copernicus was first. He didn't get into trouble, because his work was merely mathematical, and was no threat to scripture. Galileo used a telescope, saw the actual evidence for the solar system, wrote De Revolutionibus, and then was locked up by the Inquisition for the remainder of his life.

Heresy charges against Galileo and Galileo's confession. For teaching about the solar system.
Faith can never conflict with reason. Pope John Paul II's statement on Galileo in 1992.
The Pope's 1996 statement on evolution (about 330 years after Galileo died under house arrest).

47 posted on 01/13/2002 11:25:49 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: jlogajan
Perhaps you could explain why evolution doesn't run afoul of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Or why the evolutionist refuse to acknowledge intelligent design. Or better yet, just refute the math of intelligent design. Or perhaps you'd care to explain why blacks are multiplying at a greater rate than other races? Didn't Darwin tell us these people were inferior and would taken care of by natural selection?
48 posted on 01/13/2002 11:26:50 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: jlogajan
one is based upon superstition and one is based upon empirical evidence.

We're still waiting for all the intermediate species to be found in the fossile records. Better keep digging.

49 posted on 01/13/2002 11:29:18 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: aculeus
Since holiday is supposed to be short for holy-day, I don't think it is appropriate for Darwin to have a holiday. Nevertheless, I believe Darwin already has a day. It is celebrated April 1st.
"The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God,..."- Psalm 53:1
50 posted on 01/13/2002 11:34:52 AM PST by DittoJed2
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To: WalterSkinner
Great minds think alike.
51 posted on 01/13/2002 11:35:35 AM PST by DittoJed2
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To: jlogajan
Creationists are like Marxists.

46 posted on 1/13/02 12:23 PM Pacific by jlogajan

Amazing...how so?

52 posted on 01/13/2002 11:35:55 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: jlogajan
Creationists are like Marxists

With only two slight differences. We weren't responsible for the murder of 100 million people over the past century and we don't don't believe in evolution.

Oh, but we did excommunicate a few people from the church 500 years ago. Oh, the horror, the inhumanity of it all. Will you ever forgive us? Please?

53 posted on 01/13/2002 11:35:59 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: aculeus
Would the Darwin Day parade feature monkey floats?

Two cups of milk, two scoops of monkey ...

54 posted on 01/13/2002 11:36:36 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Diplomat
Perhaps you could explain why evolution doesn't run afoul of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Because the sun is shining. Perhaps you could tell us about the 1st and 3d laws of thermodynamics while you're at it.

Or why the evolutionist refuse to acknowledge intelligent design. Or better yet, just refute the math of intelligent design.

I can use better math to obtain an even more abusrd conclusion than ID. I shall now prove that I am Marilyn Monroe:

1. All humans are divided into two classes, Marilyn and all others.
2. The number of members of the class of Marilyn is ONE.
3. The number of members of the class of PatrickHenry is ONE.
4. Things equal to the same thing are equal to each other. 5. One equals one.
6. Ergo ... I am Marilyn Monroe!

For my next trick, I'll prove Intelligent Design. Ain't math wonderful?

55 posted on 01/13/2002 11:42:11 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Exnihilo
What can we do to counter such amazing arrogance?

You are clearly like those ignorant third world people, who believe Americans are arrogant, simply because they are educated. If you truly believed God created the Universe, you would be using the intelligence God gave you to examine his creation, and thereby learn directly from the hand of God, instead of some man made book, no matter how divinely inspired. The truism "Actions speak louder than words" comes to mind when I think of all those Creationists out there, who can hear the words of bible, but not the hand of God in the world around them. If God had wanted us to be ignorant animals, he wouldn't have given us the intelligence with which to appretiate his wonderful creation. Those people out there who think they are close to God because they have studied some book are wrong. It's scientists who are the closest to God, who have studied his creation, and are continually struck with awe at it's elegance. It's scientists like Darwin, who realise how little we really know, and the arrogant Creationists who think they have all the answers. When you fail to use the intelligence God gave you, to question the world around you, you spit on God's creation.

56 posted on 01/13/2002 11:42:32 AM PST by Eagle74
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To: aculeus
If there will be a Darwin day, it will develop spontaneously over a sufficiently long period of time. Such a thing should never be created. :)
57 posted on 01/13/2002 11:43:37 AM PST by Petronski
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To: jlogajan; sayfer bullets
Have to agree. Creationists are like Marxists. They can be very smart. But they are very wrong.

This from someone who throws out bigoted one-liners and then flees when asked to defend his tripe.

58 posted on 01/13/2002 11:45:38 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: Petronski
LOL!
59 posted on 01/13/2002 11:45:53 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: PatrickHenry
You mud skippers remind me of the channel catfish Loren Eisley had in a tub(The Enourmous-Immense Journey) in his basement through the long winter he found dead one fine spring day on the floor trying to make it back to the river for the spring thaw!

He speculated man would reach the point of his destiny on a frozen field in the middle of winter---not the thaw---spring break...yeah April fools---DARWIN!

60 posted on 01/13/2002 11:49:10 AM PST by f.Christian
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