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Bush DOE Granted Enron Waiver of Securities and Liability Regulations
Federal Register | May 15, 2001

Posted on 01/12/2002 9:35:48 AM PST by vmatt

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To: Sundance
ANd when you name a crime, be specific. I understand your hatred of corporations and capitalism in general, but that is not a crime.
141 posted on 01/12/2002 5:12:05 PM PST by Always Right
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To: vmatt
What I was trying to say is when the DOE gave the waiver to Enron there was nothing illegal about it. It has happen before and I think it is going to happen again no matter who is in office.
142 posted on 01/12/2002 5:14:34 PM PST by KevinDavis
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To: XBob
"...remembering back on the commodity markets, that trading energy is a relatively recent thing, which started coming about around 1996-1998 under the clinton administration."

That's my recollection, as well. In which case, many existing regulations, designed to address conventional generation and transmission issues, may have been wholly inappropriate to energy trading.

For example, perhaps, a generator couldn't make commitments that required construction of a new plant and issuing stock to finance the venture without being a DOE review of the market and the pricing/financing schedules. The electric utilities are closely regulated, remember.

But when a trading company sells electricity to a customer for future delivery, it's planning to buy that same electricity from another supplier. They're not in the business of generating electricity or building plants, they're in the business of "making a market" for existing generators.

Thus, stock issued in this context would not necessarily require prior approval by the DOE. A waiver would make perfectly good sense.

143 posted on 01/12/2002 5:19:40 PM PST by okie01
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To: KevinDavis
What I was trying to say is when the DOE gave the waiver to Enron there was nothing illegal about it. It has happen before and I think it is going to happen again no matter who is in office.

What if DOE is charged with a minimum standard of financial suitability before granting waivers and for some unknown reason they didn't check? Or they checked and were told to ignore the data?

144 posted on 01/12/2002 5:20:51 PM PST by vmatt
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To: okie01
143 - your explaination makes good sense.
145 posted on 01/12/2002 5:25:02 PM PST by XBob
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To: vmatt
I'm guessing Eron lied to them...
146 posted on 01/12/2002 5:30:23 PM PST by KevinDavis
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To: XBob
"...your explaination makes good sense."

I've no idea whether it is the explanation, though. I pinged somebody who knows more about these regulatory matters than me. Perhaps he can answer our question.

147 posted on 01/12/2002 5:31:14 PM PST by okie01
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To: Sundance
114 - "You guys think a blow job is a crime. We think political corruption is. If any Democrats are implicated in this, I say prosecute them all. "

Where were you for the scandal a week, most corrupt administration in history, treasonous corruption of the xlinton years.

148 posted on 01/12/2002 5:31:45 PM PST by XBob
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To: PhiKapMom
President Bush has sent two, repeat two nominations to the United States Senate for this Commission and neither have been approved by the Senate.

Bump for this AND for the observation that maybe Bush's reluctance to clear out Clinton appointees wasn't as ill-advised as we first thought.

149 posted on 01/12/2002 5:33:36 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: vmatt
Nothing wrong with an honest liberal.

I believe that's a prima facia case of bipolar disorder.

150 posted on 01/12/2002 5:37:43 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: one_particular_harbour
I am a major fan of Dubya, but why would he want to pardon anybody from Enron . . .

I think the pardon reference may be an allusion to a previous President with the implication that if the Democrats open up the Enron can of worms, the administration will open up a pardon can of worms that they had previously sealed up.

151 posted on 01/12/2002 5:39:19 PM PST by No Truce With Kings
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To: AmishDude
Bump for this AND for the observation that maybe Bush's reluctance to clear out Clinton appointees wasn't as ill-advised as we first thought.

The possibility of the human impact being considerably reduced had this been discovered by Bush appointees early on out weighs any political considerations IMHO.

152 posted on 01/12/2002 5:39:42 PM PST by vmatt
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To: AmishDude
I am beginning to think the same thing! Does make you wonder!
153 posted on 01/12/2002 5:40:51 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: vmatt
The possibility of the human impact being considerably reduced had this been discovered by Bush appointees early on out weighs any political considerations IMHO.

Interesting take. I, of course, am of the belief that the government could not have stopped this from happening. Surely Bush's appointees would be at least as competent as any Clinton would have appointed. Perhaps they would have had the foresight to prevent the employees from losing their 401(k)'s, but not much else.

With this new information, I have developed the theory that Bush was not in a hurry to rid himself of Clinton appointees, in case there were some unexploded scandals left behind.

154 posted on 01/12/2002 5:51:28 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
With this new information, I have developed the theory that Bush was not in a hurry to rid himself of Clinton appointees, in case there were some unexploded scandals left behind.

I would think less of Bush if that were true. Good theory though.

155 posted on 01/12/2002 6:05:56 PM PST by vmatt
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To: Always Right
Test (sorry, I couldn't find this thread on the board)
156 posted on 01/12/2002 7:14:33 PM PST by Sundance
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To: Sundance
What happened to this thread? There were some people who responed to me (talking about China and such) that I wanted to talk to. Damn. Well, although you guys might not like me, I am open to debate. I also want to stess the point that we are all Americans. We all love our country and want the best for our people.

I have a feeling that once I post this the whole thread will reappear, making me look foolish. So be it.

157 posted on 01/12/2002 7:22:50 PM PST by Sundance
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To: Sundance
No, I was right. Most of this thread has been deleted. People, what is going on here?

Is the truth that dangerous?

Look, man, I have voted Republican several times (before 1994, of course). I'm not the enemy. What are you afraid of?

I am your countryman. I believe almost the same things you do. The differnce is that I believe in democracy and you (please excuse me) do not.

158 posted on 01/12/2002 7:30:22 PM PST by Sundance
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To: Sundance
Is it that Buzzflash.com gave attention to this thread? Is that why you want to run and hide? Come on!

Buzzflash only highlights the mainstream stories that they find interesting. Sure they are Democrats and progressives. But they only deal in the truth, and they are very careful with their commentary. I have been a Buzzflash reader for years and I can say that they are very responsible. Unlike the corporate taken-over mainstream propaganda machine that we call TV news, Buzzflash is a breath of fresh air.

159 posted on 01/12/2002 7:44:01 PM PST by Sundance
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To: Sundance
Thanks, I did not think there was anything illegal going on. Just a witch hunt, exactly as I thought.
160 posted on 01/12/2002 11:55:25 PM PST by Always Right
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