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Just what is a Libertarian?
Internet - Lost URL | FR Post 01-11-02 | Written by Deanna Corbeil

Posted on 01/11/2002 8:57:38 AM PST by vannrox

Just what is a Libertarian?
(The party & philosophy)




Out of the many political philosophies that exist, one of the most misunderstood is libertarianism. It is frequently labeled part of the “extreme right”, or it is merely associated with drug legalization. Truthfully, there may be several definitions of the term, but in general, libertarianism encompasses all or most of the following: strong support of individual civil liberties, social tolerance, and private property; belief in the positive powers of the free market; and an espousal of constitutionally limited and greatly reduced government. To put it succinctly, the libertarian believes in the freedom of individuals to pursue their lives as they see fit, as long as they cause no harm to others, with minimal governmental interference.


Libertarian thought is rooted historically in the ideas of many of the Enlightenment thinkers, including John Locke, Voltaire, and Adam Smith, as well as many of the founding fathers of America, including Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Paine. Many libertarians prefer to call themselves “classical liberals”. Their philosophy has also been influenced by writer Ayn Rand’s “Objectivism”, and various free-market economists, including Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek, and Ludwig von Mises.


To more clearly illustrate libertarian thoughts and beliefs, it is helpful to see how these ideas would affect certain issues being debated at this time. Specifically,
    Freedom of Speech,
    The international scene (including military defense),
    Taxation,
    and, of course, Drug Prohibition.
(Keep in mind that libertarians, like most people, don’t agree on everything. In fact, their emphasis on individualism gives rise to a great deal of disagreement.)


Libertarians are strongly supportive of the civil liberties detailed in the Bill of Rights of our Constitution. They maintain that the Constitution does not grant us these rights, but instead recognizes those rights we naturally possess by virtue of our humanity. Included in these rights is the freedom of speech. Unlike many other supporters of free speech, the libertarian sees it as having a connection with property rights. For example, many would claim that to deny the publication of a certain person’s ideas or works would be censorship. The libertarian would say that you can publish anything you would like on a printing press you personally own, but to force someone else to print it would be coercion.


Another area in which libertarians have a unique philosophy is that concerning international affairs, military defense, and police functions. Many in the libertarian movement believe that the only legitimate functions of government are to provide military protection and law enforcement. They would oppose those “entangling alliances” that Jefferson mentioned which lead to treaties like NATO and organizations like the United Nations. They believe these can lead to unnecessary entanglements with other nations, and may ultimately usurp the sovereignty of the individual.


When it comes to the issue of taxes, it is helpful to reflect on the libertarian’s view of property rights. The libertarian view is generally that an individual should have the right to do with his property what he will, as long as it is not causing harm to someone else. In this case, the property being considered is the money an individual has earned. If the result of your labor is money, then it belongs to you, not the government. If another individual came along and took your money from you without your consent, it would be considered theft by our legal system. The libertarian views it as no less a crime when the government takes your money without your consent via taxation. (In those cases where taxation is “necessary”, libertarians prefer the taxes to be low and only minimally intrusive.)


The aspect most often associated with its philosophy by people only marginally familiar with libertarianism concerns the subject of drug legalization. What should be remembered is that the libertarian advocates personal freedom, which they believe includes the right to make decisions concerning your own body. They would argue that today’s drug prohibition is very similar to the alcohol prohibition of the 1920’s, which helped spawn a great deal of criminal activity, profiteering for criminal gangs, and turned otherwise peaceful, law-abiding citizens into criminals. (Of course, if the use of drugs by an individual causes them to harm another, that person must take responsibility for their actions, and must make restitution or receive appropriate punishment.) They also believe that the “drug war” has largely been a failure in its goals, and has diverted law enforcement away from other, more serious crimes.


Libertarian philosophy can be applied to most any issue being debated in our time. By looking at the four areas of freedom of speech, international affairs, taxation, and drug policy, it is easy to see that libertarian thought at its most basic level agrees with Jefferson’s statement, “That government is best which governs least.”


Written by Deanna Corbeil


TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: libertarians
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To: OWK
"No. Abortion should be prohibited by law. (although that law should be administered at the state level, and not at the federal level, for constitutional reasons)"

So your Libertarianism stops at the State level?

161 posted on 01/11/2002 12:46:08 PM PST by lormand
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To: lormand
Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason.

No, it doesn't. Murder is initiation of force, which libertarianism prohibits. Killing babies is murder.

162 posted on 01/11/2002 12:46:19 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: lormand
Plain and simple, Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason.

Well you've made that silly assertion three times now, and I'm calling you on it. Libertarian doctrine requires non-initiation of force, which certainly includes murdering another human. Instead of repeating blanket assertions, add some substance, if you can.

163 posted on 01/11/2002 12:46:34 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: lormand
So your Libertarianism stops at the State level?

No.

The US Constitution prohibits all powers to the federal government, which are not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

Hence, while I believe that abortion should be prohibited by law, I also believe that such laws must exist at the state level, because the US Constitution does not allow otherwise.

164 posted on 01/11/2002 12:50:04 PM PST by OWK
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To: CubicleGuy
"It always boils down to whether or not you can persuade someone else to do something voluntarily."

You will never get a 100% of agreement. So someone "might be minimally constrain of individual liberty", is that wrong?

80% of us might agree that we need a state highway system and apply a tax. Must we get 100%? If not someone might be constrain of individual liberty.

165 posted on 01/11/2002 12:51:26 PM PST by CyberCowboy777
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To: OWK
"Do you think silly sloganeering like this really adds anything of value to the conversation?"

No!

Next question?

166 posted on 01/11/2002 12:51:37 PM PST by lormand
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To: lormand
have you caught on that many libertarians, like myself, are pro-life?
167 posted on 01/11/2002 12:51:40 PM PST by fod
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To: fod
the scales can only fall off his eyes when he stops holding them on
168 posted on 01/11/2002 12:54:44 PM PST by WindMinstrel
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To: NittanyLion
You guys are all over on this issue. Which is true, your view of Abortion and Libertarianism, or CubicleGuy's view of Libertarianism regarding Abortion?
169 posted on 01/11/2002 12:55:16 PM PST by lormand
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To: lormand
Which is true, your view of Abortion and Libertarianism, or CubicleGuy's view of Libertarianism regarding Abortion?

ROFL. As opposed to Republicans, who all march in lockstep on every issue? Lincoln Chafee holds all the same beliefs as Tom Delay, right? OF COURSE there will be people in the same party who hold differing views.

170 posted on 01/11/2002 12:56:44 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
Think Barbara Bush vs George Bush, on the issue.
171 posted on 01/11/2002 12:58:24 PM PST by OWK
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To: WindMinstrel, fod
WindMinstrel, as a recent convert to Roman Catholism, you may be consistent in claiming to be Pro-life while doing nothing to prohibit it.

Fod, I still believe that one cannot be Libertarian AND be pro-life.

172 posted on 01/11/2002 1:00:07 PM PST by lormand
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To: CubicleGuy
Using force is not always wrong. Initiating the use of force against others always is.

Ok, I think Libertarians and Conservatives can agree with that..... I think. LOL

I cannot think of any scenario where Initiating the use of force would be ok. well....other than punishment for non-force crimes, like a embezzler. The cops would initiate force to put him in jail, I am fine with that. I think that would qualify as ok for you also?

173 posted on 01/11/2002 1:00:50 PM PST by CyberCowboy777
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To: OWK
Think Barbara Bush vs George Bush, on the issue.

Exactly. I guess one of those two is a Democrat, or libertarian. Obviously the GOP isn't a big enough tent for the both of them.

174 posted on 01/11/2002 1:02:22 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: lormand
You don't understand. I am doing something about it. However, I'm doing so within the party that allows the most freedom.
175 posted on 01/11/2002 1:02:28 PM PST by WindMinstrel
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To: lormand
Fod, I still believe that one cannot be Libertarian AND be pro-life.

And yet you have been confronted with a half-dozen libertarians who have told you that they are pro-life.

This is called willful blindness.

176 posted on 01/11/2002 1:03:25 PM PST by OWK
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To: lormand
"I find it laughable that we have people here who say that they are little "l" libertarians, and big "L" Libertarians. Libertarianism is a Utopian dream, like it or not, and those who are shape-shifters within Libertarianism only give us more ammo.

First of all, I'm a libertarian conservative, not a Libertarian.

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."
--Ronald Reagan

No offense, but words from a better man than you or I.

"Plain and simple, Libertarianism dictates that one can Abort human life whenever and for whatever reason."

quite the contrary, libertarian logic would say that abortion is the initation of force against a human being that results in the death of that human being. A clear violation of the Rights to Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness.

but you are free to believe whatever you wish.

177 posted on 01/11/2002 1:04:11 PM PST by Benson_Carter
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To: CyberCowboy777
I cannot think of any scenario where Initiating the use of force would be ok. well....other than punishment for non-force crimes, like a embezzler. The cops would initiate force to put him in jail, I am fine with that. I think that would qualify as ok for you also?

The foundational philsophy of libertarian political theory, is that the initiation of force or fraud (i.e. embezzling) morally empower the use of restraining and punitive force on the part of state (or individuals).

178 posted on 01/11/2002 1:05:58 PM PST by OWK
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To: NittanyLion
I am not asking you to compare yourself politically with CubicleGuy. I am asking you to compare yourself ideologically with CubicleGuy.
179 posted on 01/11/2002 1:06:07 PM PST by lormand
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To: WindMinstrel
"However, I'm doing so within the party that allows the most freedom."

So you are a party guy, and not an ideologue?

180 posted on 01/11/2002 1:07:31 PM PST by lormand
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