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Clear Evidence for Creation
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Posted on 01/10/2002 11:01:49 AM PST by VaBthang4

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To: Heartlander
"No, not my skepticism – my faith! I am (thank God) a Christian!"

Me too! Especially when scientific evidence supports Creation - just as He said. :) But heck, the name callers wouldn't have a clue on just what He said about it.

41 posted on 01/10/2002 7:38:38 PM PST by nmh
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To: dirtboy
What reasoning do you have for a world wide flood NOT having done this. Do explain this and back it up with facts, not speculation.
42 posted on 01/10/2002 7:40:04 PM PST by nmh
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To: kazatzkeh
But ... evidence leans towards Creation. Evidence leans towards the Bible being true. Of late, much prophecy is coming to fruition. You might want to reconsider your doubts and fence sitting.
43 posted on 01/10/2002 7:42:22 PM PST by nmh
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To: PatrickHenry
I plan on going there when it is complete. Maybe you consider going too.
44 posted on 01/10/2002 7:43:53 PM PST by nmh
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To: IceCreamSocialist
Name one self contradiction.
45 posted on 01/10/2002 7:48:09 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: IceCreamSocialist
"Actually, it is more probable that it is stupid to believe in the bible than the opposite. "

Actually the opposite of what you say is true. You ought to read the Bible sometime. Just compare history to it and you will see that it is VERY accurate.

"To believe that humans got the whole god thing right in one book given all the nearly infinite possible explanations and descriptions of god seems highly improbable, numerically more improbable than winning Powerball 100 times in a row. "

Mere fallible humans wrote the Bible under the direction of the Holy Spirit. It is the translations and versions of the origianl Greek and Hebrew where one can have some problems but the original writing is fine. When humans are involved without the Holy Spirit, is when they get themselves into trouble - as yo just demonstrated.

"To believe that god wrote it and is infallible is obviously false because the book is full of self-contradictions. Of course someone who wants to believe so they lack the strength of character to admit that they live without all of the answers is not going to get far along this line of reasoning."

That's upper case "G" for God. God is infallible. The Bible has NO contradictions. Of course you can't name any but repeat what others more ignorant than you have said about it, so I won't ask for an example of a "contradiciton".

This statement:

"Of course someone who wants to believe so they lack the strength of character to admit that they live without all of the answers is not going to get far along this line of reasoning."

Where does one start ... it's pure vanity and hypocritical. Evolutionists don't have all the answers. Not by a long shot yet you don't hurl this insult their way.

I'll state this, I have more answers than evolutionists have and it does take strength of character to not express my true sentiments towards those who won't listen to reason.

46 posted on 01/10/2002 7:53:43 PM PST by nmh
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To: VaBthang4
Creationist bump!! Excellent
49 posted on 01/11/2002 4:59:09 AM PST by billbears
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To: nmh
The problem with the propsition that all strata were laid down in one flood event is that it can't explain the presence of desert sandstones and evaporites in the sequence.

For example, the Grand Canyon sequence includes the Coconino Sandstone: this was laid down in a desert environment and is capped by the Toroweap Formation, which is a marine deposit. Immediately beneath the Coconino Sandstone are muddy deposits (shales), then further down, the Redwall Limestone, a completely marine deposit. Now, to fit in with the 'Flood' proposition, the water, after laying down marine deposits, would have to retreat for long enough for a desert environment to form, complete with sand dunes, then come back again and cover it all up. All in 40 days.

It doesn't work, sorry.

50 posted on 01/11/2002 5:05:24 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: billbears
It's a good job US petroleum geologists don't follow the theory that all strata were laid down in one flood event, otherwise the US would be a lot poorer and you wouldn't have anything to put in your nice shiny SUVs.
52 posted on 01/11/2002 5:07:48 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: nmh
you like your Yahweh so much, go read the Book of Joshua and then report back on why Yahweh the psychopath is a god worthy of worship. Fortunately I don't believe he exists. if I did, I'd be duty bound to fight against him.
53 posted on 01/11/2002 5:18:25 AM PST by memetic
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To: nmh
A nice little article from the Affiliation of Christian Geologists

Joe Christian Needs to Hear From Us

"It hardly needs saying that there is a lot of misinformation about science going around in Christian circles today. The greatest problem is not in academic circles or with nationally recognized Christian periodicals or publishers. Rather, it is at the grass roots level, which is further removed from learning. The misinformation of science (and the science of misinformation) is most widespread in denominational publications and at the grammar and high school level. Part of the problem is that many Christians at this level do not know where to turn for information. Too often the most accessible sources of information are pseudo-scientists--people without the proper science background but who are eager to pontificate just what many Christians want to hear about creation, the flood, atheism, and even the relationship between science and society's social ills." ~~~ SNIP ~~~

54 posted on 01/11/2002 5:18:46 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp
"1. To show that there are Evangelical Christians who do such work. Many believers have no idea that there are "Bible-believing" Christians who actually do research in such fields as dating rocks, measuring continental drift, or studying fossils. That Christians do such work is never acknowledged by young-earth creationists (the only ones that are acknowledged are those working at young-earth institutes and a few others who hold the same views). As a result, a popular misconception is that the only people in these disciplines are Bible-hating atheists. "

~~~ SNIP ~~

55 posted on 01/11/2002 5:20:19 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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This guy explains it all
Far better than The Book.

57 posted on 01/11/2002 5:37:23 AM PST by Scally Wag
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To: VaBthang4
bump
58 posted on 01/11/2002 5:47:28 AM PST by ShadowAce
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To: IceCreamSocialist
Provide me the verse. Otherwise, all I can tell is you are making stuff up. Point out what verses are contradictory, chapter and verse please, otherwise, I cannot show you where you are wrong.
59 posted on 01/11/2002 6:59:40 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: IceCreamSocialist
Speaking of numerical probabilities, consider this:

The number seven is of significance in the Torah - seven days to create the universe, seven days in the week, seven branches on the menorah, etc. Seven times seven, 49, is also of significance in various places. If you count in the Hebrew text of the Torah from the first "tav," then skipping 49 letters, the 50th letter is a "vav." Repeating this two more times, you come up with "resh," then "hay," which spells "Torah" in Hebrew. Diagrams at this site.

Additionally, if you perform the same procedure, only backwards, in Deuteronomy and Numbers, you find "Torah" spelled out again.

This is only one example of this kind of characteristic of the 304,805 letters of the Torah.

60 posted on 01/11/2002 8:51:27 AM PST by mvpel
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