White House Shifts on Welfare Law; Food Stamps for Legal Immigrants

New York Times ^

[WRhine]

Now who dares to call President Bush a "conservative"? Anyone? Anyone?

All I want to know is where do the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS BEGIN? And a big NO on your question. Looks like GW is selling out the conservative base for the hope that a good percentage of Hispanics will vote for him...as if. If GW doesn't shut down the ongoing invasion from Mexico he won't get my vote next time around. It's that simple.

[WRhine]

Bush is riding high on his war popularity right now but it isn't going to last into the next election. America's attention span isn't that long and if the economy doesn't improve dramatically he will lose the next election.

You'd think that GW would have learned from his dad's mistakes.

[WarHawk42]

All I want to know is where do the rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS BEGIN?

I thought they pretty much eliminated what was left of our rights when they passed the 'Patriot" bill.

Aren't you considered a terrorist by the FBI?  I am.

WarHawk42

[WRhine]

I repeat. It ain't gonna happen that he gets 50% of the Latino vote nation wide. The republican party is self destructing and they don't have the sense to know it. They have deserted there base trying to win democrat votes which they will never do in numbers large enough to do them any good.

Well put. That is exactly what they are doing. They don't call the Republican Party the Stupid Party for nothing. You can't out pander the socialists. They will beat you every time and drag you left in the process.

[codeword]

Street language "socialism" by conservatives often refers to the growing waste and the lack of efficient and well run government departments. It refers to excessive tax rates and excessive wealth transfer.

Yes, you're right: this is the "street use" of the word in conservative circles nowadays.

I think this is unfortunate, since it obscures an important distinction between the phenomena you are describing--which people used to call "creeping socialism" or "welfare-state capitalism"--and outright socialism in the sense of "public ownership of the means of production," which is a hugely different economic system from the one we have.

I just think it clouds our thinking not to acknowledge this difference.

[WarHawk42]

You'd think that GW would have learned from his dad's mistakes.

Republican politicians seen to have a learning deficiency.:)

WarHawk42

[glc1173@aol.com]

"If they're here legally what's the problem?"

Simple. If they're here legally, where are their sponsors - the people who got these aliens here by signing a pledge to keep them from becoming "public charges?"

Simple. We don't want to be the welfare office for every poor Third World nation dumping its poorest on us. Look at all the Russian retirees who came after Russia's pension system collapsed.

IMMIGRATION resource library: public-health facts, court decisions, local INS numbers!

[WRhine]

Don't know if you saw the latest buzz about Buchannon but, like him or hate him, the data and figures he used came from statisticians, think tanks, etc. and the facts are dead on and frightful.

Yes, I have been all over the threads concerning Pat Buchannon's book the "Death of the West". Pat speaks the unholy truth that uncontrolled 3rd world immigration is destroying Western Civilization. His book seems to be getting very good reviews. Hard to argue with the facts in his book as much of it comes from the UN of all places. I plan on buying it soon.

[Sabertooth]

The Bush administration proposed today to restore food stamps to legal immigrants, whose eligibility for benefits was severely restricted by the 1996 welfare law.

I've got my 2002 ballot in one hand, and a lighter in the other. If the Republicans think they can win by outbidding the Democrats for the Latino vote, they can do it without me in their party.

I oppose food stamps for citizens, let alone immigrants. The 1996 Welfare Reform Act was one of the great success stories of the last 30 years. I did not vote for Dubya for this kind of feel-good, big gov betrayal, and I won't vote for him or any Republican during his term if this proposal happens.

And I have a big mouth.

Hugh Hewitt, are you listening?

[WarHawk42]

Don't know if you saw the latest buzz about Buchannon but, like him or hate him, the data and figures he used came from statisticians, think tanks, etc. and the facts are dead on and frightful.

Buchanan is right.  It just isn't PC to think that way.  The demonization of him will have to go ahead at warp speed.:)

WarHawk42

[kwyjibo]

GWB can speak Spanish and hand out my money all he wants, but when it comes time to pull the lever, the minorities will be reminded by the DNC that it's all just "windowdressing", and they will continue to vote for the Dems.

[max61]

Not everyone on this site misuses the word "socialism" in a way that would include the policies of George W. Bush.

In a confused, reality impaired way you are correct. A more appropriate description of the policy decisions of the Bush Adminsitration would be social-statist.

---max

[LADY J]

Each day some worse news comes out of Washington. I feel like we are losing it.

Just about ready to just give up!!

[ZDaphne]

I agree with you. My confidence has eroded considerably about Bush's domestic policy with Hispanics since he took office. On the other hand, I realize that he has to make concessions in this area to muster votes for the next election. I try to console myself with the notion that this is something he has to do to get back in, and that it sure beats the alternative...

[codeword]

... but when it comes time to pull the lever, the minorities will be reminded by the DNC that it's all just "windowdressing", and they will continue to vote for the Dems.

Maybe. But I think President Bush has a whole crowd of pollsters and analysts and advisors that are telling him otherwise, and he is listening.

[kwyjibo]

Why can't the alternative be Alan Keyes?

[WRhine]

Aren't you considered a terrorist by the FBI? I am.

I probably was during the Clinton administration for having the unmitigated gall to call Clinton and his band of communist thugs for what they were/are....criminals and traitors. I certainly hope that I'm not with GW.