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1 posted on 01/08/2002 2:45:28 PM PST by Axion
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This is a rather bizarre article. Even Egypt is doubting the Palestinian claims so the conclusion that the raid harmed Israel is quite irrational.
2 posted on 01/08/2002 2:49:08 PM PST by spqrzilla9
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Another winning piece from STRATFOR, who have gone 0-45 since 9/11.If I was a paying client,I'd want my retainer back.
3 posted on 01/08/2002 2:49:16 PM PST by habs4ever
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State Dept. Accepts Israeli Report

By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Switching gears, the State Department accepted as ``credible'' Israel's allegations that the Palestinians were trying to smuggle in rockets and other weapons by sea.

``We have some of the evidence. We don't have all of it,'' spokesman Richard Boucher said Tuesday.

``We're waiting to hear a full explanation of the incident'' from Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, Boucher said. On Wednesday, Israeli military intelligence officials are due to call at the State Department.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld expressed unqualified support for Israel in its seizure of the ship.

``They clearly had very good intelligence that those weapons were going to be used against them and they intercepted the ship by pre-empting that ship from landing and unloading and then providing those weapons to be used against Israel,'' Rumsfeld said on C-Span.

``The United States has done a similar thing with respect to various ship interceptions and maritime interceptions as they're called, and it is something I think that is not unusual or not uncalled for when one thinks of the magnitude of the weapon stash that was on that ship.''

On Monday, four days after the ``Karine A'' was captured by Israeli naval commandos in the Red Sea some 300 miles from Israel, Boucher said the State Department had not assembled the facts and could not determine whether the ship was making a delivery for the Palestinian Authority.

Boucher gave reporters a revised account after Israel's justice minister, Meir Shitreet, told Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage that 50 tons of weapons aboard the intercepted vessel were intended for delivery to Palestinian fighters.

``There is no doubt Arafat is responsible,'' Shitreet said.

Boucher did not link Arafat to the smuggling. ``I would say we're waiting to hear a full explanation of the incident from Chairman Arafat,'' he said.

``We are deeply concerned about the situation, about the involvement of Palestinians in this arms shipment,'' Boucher said. ``We have expressed that concern directly and early to Chairman Arafat. We've told him we need a full explanation. He's now promised a full investigation.''

Boucher said U.S. diplomats had examined some of the weapons. ``The quantity and the quality of these shipments are of serious concern. I think we find the fact that there are Palestinians involved in shipping these weapons deeply troubling,'' he said.

An Israeli official said the arsenal included armor-piercing weapons designed to disable Israeli tanks. And Shitreet said 3,400 pounds of C4 explosive, a common terrorist weapon, were in the cargo.

``We have no doubt about the connection to Arafat,'' Shitreet said. Echoing Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites), he called Arafat a liar and said Israel had intercepted three other such shipments in the past, but that a fourth succeeded in arming guerrillas in Lebanon.

Shitreet said the weapons seized last week were not bound for the Hezbollah fighters, who are conducting a cross-border, low-level war with Israel, since Iran, which Israel accuses of providing the weapons, is able to arm the guerrillas through Syria easily.

The weapons, which included rockets, would have posed a high danger to Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities, he said.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, speaking Monday on Iranian TV, said Israel made up the allegations to ``intensify a crackdown on the Palestinian intefadeh,'' or uprising.

Despite it all, Shitreet said Israel was prepared to resume negotiations with the Palestinian Authority once there have been seven days of calm.

He said Israel's dispute was not with the Palestinian people; the minister said Israel was making sure they had sufficient food, electricity and other supplies.

The ship's captain, Omar Akawi, has said in jailhouse interviews that he picked up the weapons at Iran's Qeys island, just off the country's southwest coast.

Akawi said he works in the Palestinian Transportation Ministry, and agreed to smuggle the weapons because ``it's the Palestinian right to defend ourselves.''

In the 1993 Oslo Accords with Israel, the Palestinian Authority agreed to limit the kind and amount of weapons it would amass. The arms aboard the ship went beyond those limits.

``I don't want to say the Oslo Accords are dying,'' Shitreet said. ``But they are very sick.''

4 posted on 01/08/2002 2:51:23 PM PST by Lent
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Stratfor is wrong,wrong,wrong on this one!
6 posted on 01/08/2002 2:52:30 PM PST by tet68
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American and European distrust of Israeli allegations will give the Palestinian Authority more room to maneuver in the short term. PA leader Yasser Arafat can continue to argue that he wants peace and to cite Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's aggressive policies as the root cause of continuing violence in the Middle East.

File this article in the local trash bin along with this comment.

8 posted on 01/08/2002 2:53:04 PM PST by Lent
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John & Paul on WABC consider Stratfor the end all and be all for information........peronally, they NEVER get it right but fit in with their left wing agenda.
10 posted on 01/08/2002 2:55:26 PM PST by OldFriend
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It would be either extremely stupid or sheerly lunatic for the Palestinians to think that a weapons-laden ship might transit the Red Sea and the Suez Canal undetected at a time when both are under heightened surveillance. Furthermore, there are contradictory reports about the vessel's ownership. Israel claims Palestinians owned the ship, but Lloyd's List, a premier shipping publication owned by Lloyd's of London, reported Jan.7 that it was owned by an Iraqi national. According to Lloyd's, it was a Lebanese-flagged vessel operated by the Beirut-based Diana K. Shipping Co. and was sold in August 2001 to Ali Mohammed Abbas for $400,000. The ship was then re-registered in Tonga as the Karine A. Although a Lebanese Transport Ministry official has disputed the Lloyd's report, it lends credence to the Palestinian denials and countercharges that Israel manipulated the seizure to derail peace talks. Ultimately, it matters little whether the Israeli assertions are true. The many apparent discrepancies, the illogic of the idea that the Palestinian Authority would attempt such an operation and finally the Lloyd's List report have combined to cast doubt on the Israeli claims. Even the United States has failed to endorse Israel's version of events, The Jerusalem Post reported Jan. 8. As far as Israel is concerned, the best thing that can happen now is for the whole incident to blow over. Politicians and military leaders are all pointing fingers at each other, blaming everyone but themselves for what is seen as a public relations debacle. The internal debate, however, overlooks the larger issue: Israel's credibility has taken a blow, giving the Palestinians leverage in the short term. Now the Palestinian Authority can ask Europe and the United States to pressure Sharon to come to the negotiating table. More important, few will take future Israeli claims about Palestinian arms-smuggling at face value. Israel's burden of proof just got a lot heavier.

Have you ever read a more incompetent analysis than this ?
Could it ? have been ? Nah, that would be too rich.
Did Pat Buchanan write this ?

11 posted on 01/08/2002 2:56:17 PM PST by a_witness
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Uh, I don't know where you stand on this,but the article isn't worth the s**t paper the factually challenged author used to write it on.

Not once does the author state a single FACT to support his biased claim that the ship wasn't destined for the Palis. Meanwhile (back on earth) I saw the captain of the ship on national television this morning stating explicitly that he was ordered by a very high level Arafat cronie to pick up the weapons from Iran and deliver them to the Palestinians.

12 posted on 01/08/2002 2:56:37 PM PST by AAABEST
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I am not sure I would believe this report. The ship's captain was interviewed in public as claiming to work for the Arabs in Palestine. The US just issued a report claiming to accept the Israeli evidence. There was another report claiming the US had tracked the ship from off the coast of Iran. And now Arafat is promising to punish those responsible.
13 posted on 01/08/2002 2:57:47 PM PST by jerrymdss
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. But the circumstances surrounding the shipment and details that emerged after its seizure have raised questions about the entire incident and, more importantly, about Israel's credibility.

Now, what in the world would Israel have to gain by releasing misinformation !!

14 posted on 01/08/2002 2:58:39 PM PST by DreamWeaver
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This article is bunk. Who were the weapons destined for? Certainly not the boy scouts. The only one who wants this to blow over is Arafat -- and the wind ain't blowing right now.
16 posted on 01/08/2002 2:59:24 PM PST by Woodkirk
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W.T.F. are u talking about?! The "flippin" captain of the ship even admits it was arms destined for arafats' lads!
17 posted on 01/08/2002 3:00:21 PM PST by timestax
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I love it.

Stratfor.com with egg on it's face! <-;

19 posted on 01/08/2002 3:01:00 PM PST by veronica
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Ummm, is STRATFOR written by lefties now? The whole piece sounds as if its coming from the "position" of the westtern lefty "proving" Israel is wrong and a false call to authority that "Israel" is losing credibility in the western mind. The proof? It can't be the PA because the PA would no do something stupid. And the Israelis "said" that the boat was "owned" by the PA, but a register a year old says it was a Lebanese, so putting aside vocabulary quibbles Israel can't be trusted because they made a mistake.

Who are these bozos?

20 posted on 01/08/2002 3:01:48 PM PST by Shermy
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All I can say is where's the beef?
23 posted on 01/08/2002 3:05:44 PM PST by yikes
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Horsecrap. Fox News carried an interview with the CAPTAIN OF THE SHIP...I believe he ADMITTED the weapons were bound for Arafat and his buddies, AND didn't he also say they came from IRAN??
24 posted on 01/08/2002 3:06:23 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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Even the Clinton spin masters would look in awe of this one.
30 posted on 01/08/2002 3:25:49 PM PST by Pete53
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 The presence of Palestinian naval officers aboard
the vessel, including one who later directly fingered
two of Arafat's top lieutenants, limits plausible deniability.

But has no effect on Stratfor's insanity.
One also ponders the size of the Palestinian
Navy.

38 posted on 01/08/2002 3:44:09 PM PST by gcruse
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It would be either extremely stupid or sheerly lunatic for the Palestinians to think that a weapons-laden ship might transit the Red Sea and the Suez Canal undetected at a time when both are under heightened surveillance.

Yeah those brilliant Palestians couldn't be behind this.

40 posted on 01/08/2002 3:49:07 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot
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oh i got it........somebody is sending 50 tons of stuff to blow up Jewish kids hanging out at Sbarro's pizza in Jerusalem an that makes Israel the bad guy for seizing the ship? Good Lord the world has lost its CENTER.
42 posted on 01/08/2002 3:56:12 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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