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To: t-shirt
If it wasn't for the actions of Klebold and Harris, 13 people would have not lost their lives that day. Many on FR will try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread. But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, IMHO.
7 posted on 01/05/2002 12:38:43 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Dylan and Kleybold may indeed hold the 'ultimate blame' as you say, but that certainly doesn't exonerate the cops if they were guilty of wrongdoing as well.

It's long past time for a Grand Jury to look into this thing.

If some cops lied or covered up facts, that belong in the slammer for a long, long time. Wouldn't you agree?

L

21 posted on 01/05/2002 1:09:14 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Dane
And right on cue, comes the LEO-Uber-Alles chorus line!

In Dane's world, LEO's NEVER screw up, commit crimes, or are in any way responsible for their actions, because they have a hard job, and the OTHER guy is to blame.

Name and badge # Dane, name and badge #...still waiting.

24 posted on 01/05/2002 1:22:03 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: Dane, t-shirt
nuts... absolutely nuts.

so you think the original murderers... killed more innocents using the cops gun, two or three hours after they were already dead? stastist worship at its finest.

The governor suspects the cops are culpable... but he too is wrong? The parents of the innocents claim to have evidence that other judicial branch "officers of the court" think may indicate police culpability.. but you don't want it investigated, or prosecuted even if the cop acted outside the law? or was in a medication induced state when he KILLED the innocent kid(s)?

Cops are as holy as god... because YOU think so??? even when the elected officials of the people believe a grand jury is definitely in order... those officials including the governor of the state for chrissakes? And he is wrong too, right?

My cop friends think there is a stink... and they are probably wrong too... after all, dane says its all about the two perps who were long dead when the innocent kid(s) were shot with police only ordnance... The original "event" was long over... but hell, it was the dead perps fault... they probably were responsible for every mistake cops made all day, everywhere that day, because they "upset" the leos to begin with. Officer so and so beat the hell out of his wife later that day... the earlier event in columbine caused him "post traumatic stress" that was kleibold and harris' fault. ridiculous but that is exactly where such specious reasoning leads.

I THINK the truth is: this whole columbine event is about cowards... and those who support them... plain and simple. It is about rewarding cowardice, evidenced by those who refuse to go in when danger and death are all around, by protection and praise... they should be ashamed.

Looks like these cops WERE not the caliber of the cops in new york who ran in when death was imminent... to save lives. Funny but the new york cops did not "wig out" and start shooting folks as they escaped the twin towers now did they??? Sounds like at least some of these columbine police are pu$$ease and cowards... unlike their new york counterparts. A REAL cop puts the lives of others above his own.... he's a hero... but the kind of behaviors suggested by the formation of this grand jury... suggest cowardess and fraud in the extreme...

It's going to be good if the perpetrator(s) of the UNNECESSARY DEATHS and subsequent coverup agents for the cop who must of went berserk... are exposed and tried. If mentally competent, the cop and his enablers will go to prison. It will be a GOOD lesson for the other statist cowards who would dare to put on a sheild UNDER the people's authority, and who misuse that authority and ordnance as cowards or as a means to enjoy their own insane "power trip" by killing innocent americans needlessly.

Until this is resolved... no cops from columbine that day should be allowed to travel to ground zero in new york... holy ground where heros only can tread. Shame on the columbine cowards....

I have to ask: if this cop were NOT guilty and his enablers believed NO law had been broken why the organized resistance... why the cover up?

Remember how this played into the anti gun lobby's quest for new laws at the time? Remember that the cops KNEW about klebold and harris' plans, and had reviewed them on tape BEFORE the event occured? Was this Bill clinton's finest work?

These cops may not just have been cowards... to the average american its beginning to look like they conspired to bring this event about... They knew about it before... and engaged actively in cover up activities after.

This whole event is beyond the pale. Something is rotten in Colorado. Does clinton have important "friends" there or something?

25 posted on 01/05/2002 1:29:04 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Dane
"...try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread." The clintons whole 'reign' was a damn conspiracy! Everything they did was designed to promote division, cultural suicide, hysteria, and lies. They perfected coverups! They sure got a lot of face time and anti gun legislation out of this. Their fingerprints are all over this. Get out of your 'everyone will think it's a conspiracy' whack mindset. It was a conspiracy. I'm almost tempted to add, 'if the leos have nothing to hide' why fear a grand jury probe? But that doesn't apply to govt. types or those who do their bidding, does it?
30 posted on 01/05/2002 1:41:07 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Dane
If it wasn't for the actions of Klebold and Harris, 13 people would have not lost their lives that day. Many on FR will try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread. But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, IMHO.

Yeah, and if G-d hadn't given people free will, then none of this would have happened so the ultimate blame belongs to G-d, right?
31 posted on 01/05/2002 1:48:28 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Dane
Here you go again with your strawman argument. Nobody is seeking to absolve Klebold and Harris of responsibility. What is being sought here is an investigation into whether or not an officer actually shot a fleeing student. If there's an officer out there who is prone to that kind of negligence, he needs to be exposed and removed.

Isn't there a Bush swoonfest thread going on somewhere? Go find it and stop interrupting while the grownups are talking.

81 posted on 01/06/2002 6:57:33 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Dane
"If it wasn't for the actions of Klebold and Harris, 13 people would have not lost their lives that day. Many on FR will try to make this into some cop bashing and govt. conspiracy thread. But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris, IMHO."

I'm not a cop basher by ANY means. And you are right that the two shooters caused the whole scenario. I'd not let them slide a bit. But if a cop has lied and it can be proven, that's a step against corruption and tyranny that should be taken. I can't believe this would EVEN be argued with. I've known and dealt with good cops. But then unfortunately I've also had to deal with 1 or 2 bad cops. And I assure you, I think there's nothing worse than a bad cop. Period. But also lets not forget the dead and their families.

87 posted on 01/06/2002 8:05:31 AM PST by Ozarkie
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To: Dane
"But the ultimate blame belongs to Klebold and Harris"

Yep. Two nutty kids start shooting and the cops can kill anyone in sight, right?

91 posted on 01/06/2002 8:40:13 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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