(Breaking:Governor)Owens Calls for Columbine Grand Jury (Students "Gunned By" Swat,+KleboldAutopsy)

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[tomakaze]

RE:I beleive WE the people deserve some blame for allowing OUR government to turn LEO's into Para-military forces ala the War on some Drugs

I'll sign that.

[doosee]

Even Barney Fife wouldn't have allowed the schoolteacher to bleed to death while they sat outside talking to each other on their 2-ways. The sad thing is these cowards are still on the force and will collect pensions off the same taxpayers they failed in the line of duty.

[goodieD]

Why even bother? Nothing real came of investigations into Waco and Ruby Ridge. The government always wins. Sorry, I'm just jaded.. there's so much that I can't believe has gone on in this country and it makes me sick. You can't fight the police, the FBI, the CIA, the ATF, etc.... they always cover their asses and they always come out on top.. no matter who's in the white house.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you armchair high judges always know what is best AFTER the fact.

I too, think they should not have waited so long to go in, but to blame the deaths on the police is ludicrous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the concept of RELEVANCE. 2 kids are at fault, the rest were reacting in the heat of battle.

If those officers had rushed in, instigating a heavy gun battle with collateral injuries(not saying that would have been the result, but it was a significant risk), you would probably be the first and the loudest shouting how "as long as you live, you will never forget the images of those stormtroopers hastily charging the building, killing children, a graphic picture of excessive force and poor judgement."

[Nov3]

And of course the police coverup of their own incompetence, to include intimidation of witnesses and purjury, would still be felony criminal conspiracy and official misconduct- and very likely also constitutes racketeering under Colorado state law, another feliony offense.

NO!!!!!!!

The police wouldn't do that! Ask Dane.

The unaccountability of these SWAT cops is going to destroy the moral authority of the police.

[Nov3]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you armchair high judges always know what is best AFTER the fact.

You are correct. The best course of action is to do nothing. When students are running out STOP THEM!!!! SECURE THE PERIMETER!!!!! Let the killers murder until they get tired of it and then say it could have been worse. A BODY ARMORED RAMBO WANNABEE SWAT cop could have been hurt.

I will say it again. A two man cruiser in the 1960's would have gone in and stopped this. Without body armor and only armed with one shotgun and two model 10 Smiths.

[tomakaze]

RE:You are correct. The best course of action is to do nothing. When students are running out STOP THEM!!!! SECURE THE PERIMETER!!!!! Let the killers murder until they get tired of it and then say it could have been worse. A BODY ARMORED RAMBO WANNABEE SWAT cop could have been hurt.

Uncanny - How the hell did a mere citizen get a copy of the OSHA Handbook for Cops?

[Plummz]

A grand jury would be an acknowledgement something is Not Quite Right here, and is a welcome development. One could hope, but in no way expect, it goes further than a grand jury burial -- unlike the one down the road in Boulder.

[ASTM366]

Harris and Klebold were responsible for the attack and murders, but the FACT remains that the law enforcement personnel who responded to the incident at Columbine High School did not put themselves at risk to stop their attack.

COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS!!!

Not ONE officer who showed up on the scene put themselves "in harms way" to save those children.

They even let a teacher bleed to death!

You can't defend this lack of action. A simple case of paralysis and cowardice.

Your comments would lead one to believe that you would probably advocate giving the "officers" a commendation.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

SWAT teams are a scourge. In the old days, street cops were trained to handle shoot-outs. The widespread use of SWAT teams has caused deadly delay in response and have unnecessarily militarized local police.

[ASTM366]

Right on, Brother!

[Itzlzha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you armchair high judges always know what is best AFTER the fact.

I too, think they should not have waited so long to go in, but to blame the deaths on the police is ludicrous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the concept of RELEVANCE. 2 kids are at fault, the rest were reacting in the heat of battle.

If those officers had rushed in, instigating a heavy gun battle with collateral injuries(not saying that would have been the result, but it was a significant risk), you would probably be the first and the loudest shouting how "as long as you live, you will never forget the images of those stormtroopers hastily charging the building, killing children, a graphic picture of excessive force and poor judgement."

Do you remember the shootout the LA Cops had with the body-armored bank-robbers?

The cops were outgunned, because 9mm and shotguns weren't stopping the perps, because their BODY ARMOR PROTECTED THEM!

Why do we have SWAT teams dressed like Ninjas, wearing body armor if they are AFRAID OF GETTING THE ARMOR SCRATCHED!

There was NOTHING Klebold or Harris HAD that would have penetrated the armor, but the SWAT Cops COWERED OUTSIDE!

Oh, let's not forget the Cop who is being stonewalled for...he fired off 51 FRICKIN' rounds from a full auto HK-94...that's 1 1/2 CLIPS...ON FULL AUTO!

Now an innocent kid is dead, and you want to join in the LEO Hallelujiah Chorus?

Same request to you as I made to Dane (SO MANY TIMES!!!), if you are an LEO, name and badge #, and where you work...I need to avoid you folks...you forget just WHO THE BAD GUYS ARE!

[expose]

waco

[Robert_Paulson2]

Did you mean "whacko" as in me being whacko? (guilty I confess) or Waco, as you typed as in look at horiuchi and company killers in Waco (davidian massacre).

If it was an insult... thanks. I HAVE been bad today and if I don't deserve it here... I DID elsewhere. It it was a referral to the whole waco, gun grabbing career of Clintong and his crowd... I would agree. See, either way.. you are right as long as you keep your responses short and cryptic.

PS are you Quidam?

LOL

[Plummz]

There were reports that State Police/CBI waited for "permission" from Washignton before entering the school. If that is the case, don't expect a federal grand jury to bring to light the full details of what occured that afternoon.

[Plummz]

It's not nice to project one's own pathologies on to others, especially behind their back.

[Buckeroo]

Your post pisses me off.

Columbine High School was a result of punk kids. The police did what they could and in the process mistakes occurred. The police are not directly responsible and to the best of knowledge, they made no cover-ups about the situation.

If you want to talk about cover-ups, see Waco, TX or Branch Davidians or perhaps "government conspiracy about how to roast 87 people and laugh about it to the American People."

[Lester Moore]

I too, think they should not have waited so long to go in, but to blame the deaths on the police is ludicrous and shows a complete lack of understanding of the concept of RELEVANCE. 2 kids are at fault, the rest were reacting in the heat of battle.

If any innocent students were shot by LEO's it is totally relevant. Heat of battle or not, LEO's should be accountable for everyone & everything they shoot. That's what the mental evaluations and training are partly about. I don't want a world where LEO's can shoot innocents and we all say, 'Oh well, it was in the middle of a shoot out so it's excuseable.' LEO work is tough but lowering our expectations is not the right answer.

[hoosierham]

"I will say it again. A two man cruiser in the 1960's would have gone in and stopped this. Without body armor and only armed with one shotgun and two model 10 Smiths"

I believe you are correct.And only a few shots would have been fired from those Model 10s.(I carried one on duty years ago, it's not how many bullets but where you place them!)