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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Your comments on the impact of economic conditions is valid.  And the comments on race are too.  Let me premise my comments by stating that my observations of recent trends with immigration (both legal and illegal), and the lack of assimilation and the pressures on our Constitution and governmental entities, leads me to seriously ponder our future as a nation.

I am not convinced that if things continue as they have in recent times, our system of government will prevail.  We are handing off trade decisions to institutions outside our control.  We are poised to hand off certain judicial decisions to the ICC.  We are adopting NGO's directives at the behest of the United Nations.  We are seriously considering dropping our borders and establishing a common currency that will see the end of our own sovereign and protected money.  These are not the actions of a government that wishes to adhere to our Constitution.  In fact, our government is clearly heading into unconstitutional territory.  When decisions are handed off to entities outside our nation who are in no way accountable to our voters, we have a problem.

It is my opinion that factors we have already discussed are contributing to a population which is made up more and more by people who do not understand the issues I am raising here.  They are more than willing to accept the Democrats "gifts" rather than protect the greatest gift our citizens have been given, self-determination.

When I raise the issue of race, I would agree that it is very close to going over the line, if not in fact doing so.  Frankly I may address the issue somewhat clumsily.  My intent is to ask that a significant portion of the people who immigrate to the US come from a like society and economic system.  I want them to value what we have here.  And interestingly enough, that generally means northern European nations.  The exception to this would be that small enough numbers of other nation's citizens be allowed to immigrate so that they would be, if not forced to assimilate, have to assimilate to exist.

We have made it so easy for people to come here, that they are flooding in to the point that they are changing us, not becoming a part of us.  As that trend continues there is a growing pressure to alter who and what we are as a nation, even to the extent of abandoning our forefather's ideals, documents and admonitions.

253 posted on 01/03/2002 5:12:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I agree with nearly your whole post.

We have made it so easy for people to come here, that they are flooding in to the point that they are changing us, not becoming a part of us.

Agreed. But OURS is the responsibility to teach these people. A child does not learn good manners on accident. Neither will immigrants learn what is good, true and right about America without being taught.

And don't even get me started on 'public education.'

255 posted on 01/03/2002 5:21:10 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: DoughtyOne
I think where we disagree on this - and it's a fundamental disagreement I've mentioned before is whether or not the whole concept of the nation-state as we know it is a viable model for the future.

The concept of the nation-state and nationalism are only a few centuries old. Before that we had feudalism, based in a set of intertwining personal loyalties rather loyalty to the state or nation as an abstract concept. In other words, the nation-state is not an organic part of human society but rather a construct created to meet certain needs - mainly economic ones and control of resources. However with the rise of capitalism, there really is less of a need to a state control resources. For example, France doesn't need to invade Germany to get German lumber - it can buy German lumber on the open market and Germans can buy French coal on the open market as well.

The side effect is that you don't have the nationalist wars you had in Europe during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries which killed millions of people. So is the tradeoff of nationalism for peace and prosperity a good one?

You tell me.

270 posted on 01/03/2002 6:44:52 PM PST by garbanzo
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