It's evening in America, Buchanan says, and immigrants are to blame (Buchanan interview)

Pat Buchanan is aware that potential readers of his new book already either adore him or disdain everything he writes "because I am the one writing it."

So in The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization (Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin's Press, $25.95), the ex-presidential candidate and conservative pundit is trying to back up his apocalyptic projections with facts and figures provided by such disparate sources as "Russian leader Mr. Putin, a British archbishop and the United Nations. By drawing on what anyone would have to consider neutral sources, this makes my message far more powerful."

Low birthrates are decimating the population of almost every European country - by 2050, only one-tenth of the world's population (America included) will be of European descent.

The unchecked influx of immigrants into America, legal and otherwise, is gradually handing the nation over to insurgents who come to force their foreign values on us rather than accepting ours.

Political correctness on the part of unwitting Americans plays into the hands of those who intend to obliterate our culture.

The events of Sept. 11 may provide enough of a wake-up call, Buchanan says, to make "the death of the West" only a threat rather than a certainty.

"The book is about a point I've been making for a long time, that the West is dying," Buchanan says during a lengthy phone conversation. "If we don't change how we do things, we'll be gone by the middle of this century, if not before. The horror of Sept. 11, I think, awoke a lot of Americans to new realities. It's a healthy thing to remember there are people out there who want to destroy us."

In Buchanan's opinion, it took terrorist attacks on New York City and the Washington, D.C., area to drive that message home to an American public more intent on hedonism than heroism.

"The '90s were a time of prosperity I've likened to the 1920s," Buchanan says. "The '20s were about money, drinking, jazz. The '90s were money, drugs, rock. The '20s ended with the stock market crash, the Depression, then on to Hitler, Tojo, Stalin. The 1990s ended on Sept. 11. We're at the kind of place Walter Lippmann called 'a plastic moment,' a time when people can change their destiny. I hope this book helps that. I'm not so much predicting these awful things will happen as saying, 'This is what the end is if the numbers remain the same.' "

Not that he holds much hope: "To many American young people, people like me belong to a bad old era. They've been taught that in school, indoctrinated in it. They want to say goodbye to the way our generation did things. This is why I don't think much will be done about the problems we face."

Buchanan acknowledges he's saying things that most Americans would prefer not to hear and that many condemn as racist and inflammatory.

"My response is that it's too late in the day for political correctness," he says. "After Sept. 11, with those acts perpetrated by people we literally welcomed into this country, Americans ought to be aware there is such a thing as too much diversity, too much welcoming. Look: I've said that if you bring 100 Zulu tribesmen into Virginia and 1 million British, the British would be assimilated more comfortably. I base that on those British coming into an American culture based on English law and tradition. And when I said that, something that seems like a simple statement, I've been accused of racism."

Now, Buchanan says, "I could substitute Iranians or Saudis for the Zulu, and people might understand." And, he adds, originally citing the Zulus was in no way racist "because I'm friends with the Zulu ruler. It's just a matter of acknowledging the differences in culture."

Potential immigrants should be judged by one measure, Buchanan adds: "Are they likely to carry on our culture, which makes America a unique country and civilization? Or are they not?"

Population explosions in Islamic, African and Latin American nations are coinciding with a decline in the U.S. birthrate, Buchanan notes, citing U.N. studies. To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population: "A free society cannot force women to have children, but a healthy society can reward those who preserve it by doing so."

Though he doesn't broach the subject in The Death of the West, in conversation Buchanan is willing to also discuss his own future.

"Politically speaking, I ran two times for the Republican nomination," he says. "We came close in '96, and we'd have gotten it instead of [Bob] Dole with one more primary win. In 2000, we tried to create a new party. It didn't work. So my political career is probably over."

"I've done my best to say the things I thought necessary, and I intend to keep writing books and to keep speaking out," he says. "I love doing it. I hope the Lord gives me 25 more years. If people don't like me or my message, well, that's not my concern. Political correctness is almost an impenetrable shield of basic realities."

I must have missed all the articles of Pat Buchanan lobbying Congress to pass Bush's tax cut for children. I would be happy to retract my statements about his silence if you can post any proof supporting your claim.

What does Buchanan lobby congress to do exactly? OHHHHH NOTHING? Why do you expect it of him? Why dont you go lobby for it huh?

Damn, Bush's own daddy didnt go lobby congress. He must not like his son too much

What is my claim? I didnt claim Buchanan lobbied anything?

11EofM: And if Pat Buchanan was so concerned about getting a tax cut for children, where was he when Bush was pushing it through Congress? What did he do to help?

PuNcH: LOL, where were you?!

OK, I'll play your game.

Where was I when 'what' happened?

Citizenship isn't the criteria Pat uses. Note the wording used, "culturally American". That's not the same as citizenship. What Pat's fans have been fumbling around with is how to define this

To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population: "A free society cannot force women to have children, but a healthy society can reward those who preserve it by doing so."

To bolster "American cultural" numbers - American women

In addition to this, the Nazis would give those families cheap loans.

I went to your link. Weird nazi gifts, recognition, awards and discrimination based upon aryaninity, really have nothing to do with a tax break for American mothers.

The title:

"It's evening in America"

reminds me of a quote I saw somewhere.

"You can tell it's late in the day when pygmies cast such long shadows."

The 'West' has evolved away from the original rules that once guided it. Much like a football game, when the rules are not followed or enforced, it turns into a spectacle that few would pay to watch.

Imagine a Superbowl where one side got away with 'holding', 'roughing the passer','grabbing the face mask', 'stepping out of bounds', 'unsportsman-like conduct', etc. Half of the fans would leave the stadium. The rest remaining would continue to cheer their team as if a legitimate contest were taking place.

This is the West today. Senators like Feinstein and Schumer are pressing for a rule change to force the other side to play without helmets or pads. Mrs. clinton would like to impose 'first and fourty' for the opposing team at every first down. The refs aren't throwing flags because they can't see offenses, it's because they are too busy watching the media cheerleaders.

When infractions by the Right actually further the down-field progress of the Left, they go un-noticed also. Skin color and culture may only indicate those whom one might expect to have at least taken a glimps at the 'rule book', yet when both sides are willing to adapt their game plan in this evolving rules-of-the-game enviornment, a 'Superbowl' it is not.

When is Buchanan going to realize that Western civilization has been held together by Western ideals, not his white skin color?

When he's 6 feet under, most likely. I don't even waste time thinking about him, except to pity him. What a paranoid and pathetic universe he must live in, seeing bogeymen in every face that doesn't look like his and every voice that speaks with an accent.

Guinn is spinning like a top. Buchanan doesn't say 'immigrants are to blame'.

THIS is what he really says: "If WE don't change how WE do things, WE'LL be gone by the middle of this century".

The US government is 100% responsible for the failure to enforce our immigration laws. Aliens and foreign governments merely take advantage of that fact.

You're missing the point. Culturally American is not the same thing as having American citizenship. Is that so hard?

And if you can't see the parallel between the state giving rewards to productive mothers under the Nazis and the state giving rewards to productive "culturally American" mothers, you need to have your eyes checked.

Ivan

We can see exactly what you said - that among other things you think our constitution, because it says "we the people" like any other democratic government must, is socialist.

You really missed the point. Just because a document says "we the people", that does not mean that the government it is supposed to codify is reflective of the wishes of said people, nor that it follows that document at all closely. Witness the Clinton Administration.

Next, you are republic not a democracy. That flew over your head - because a republic establishes a rule of a law, not of men. Democracy means that everything is up for discussion - when in reality, in order to preserve liberty, not everything should be up for discussion. Freedom of speech would be thrown out as soon as a rapper made an album with too many F words in it, if it were. By the same token, it means that the government and its representative institutions exists as an entity outside "the people" with its own interests and perogatives. Checks and balances are supposed to hold this in place, but this does not always work.

Hence, suspicion of government and all its works must remain a priority of conservatives. How you twist this basic principle into some supposition that I am a socialist is a study in dementia. I am the furthest thing from, but then again, I don't trust my government and wouldn't even if there was a singular document with "We the people" on it.

Ivan

#340: My dear Ivan,,,,remember this.

If American technology can count the nits on your head from 30,000 feet, we can damn well stop illegal terrorists from breaking into America.

What's been missing, and what Buchanan highlights in his latest book, is the national desire to halt THIS INVASION. Buchanan correctly places the blame on the cultural elite (now in political leadership positions) born of the '60's counter revolution.

This indifference to illegal immigration will change.

America is but one more WTC disaster away from a rebirth of unbridled nationalism...

You really should read his book before debating it's merits...

If American technology can count the nits on your head from 30,000 feet, we can damn well stop illegal terrorists from breaking into America.

The Chinese Communist Party used to say that because they had endless numbers of people that any project was possible. They were wrong and so are you. Never underestimate the power of human ingenuity.

And Comrade Pat has set out his stall in this article and on Drudge. Why should I reward his sludge with my hard earned cash?

Ivan

You're missing the point. Culturally American is not the same thing as having American citizenship. Is that so hard?

Then why did Buchanan link them? You want Buchanan to be saying something else. You are the one who is trying to make a distinction between the two.

To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women

And if you can't see the parallel between the state giving rewards to productive mothers under the Nazis and the state giving rewards to productive "culturally American" mothers, you need to have your eyes checked. Ivan

I dont see a parallel between Nazi rewards for aryan mothers and a uniform tax break for American mothers.

You are of course using "culturally american" out of context.

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