It's evening in America, Buchanan says, and immigrants are to blame (Buchanan interview)

Fort Worth Star-Telegram | 1/03/2002 | Jeff Guinn (Books Editor)

[PuNcH]

I must have missed all the articles of Pat Buchanan lobbying Congress to pass Bush's tax cut for children. I would be happy to retract my statements about his silence if you can post any proof supporting your claim.

What does Buchanan lobby congress to do exactly? OHHHHH NOTHING? Why do you expect it of him? Why dont you go lobby for it huh?

Damn, Bush's own daddy didnt go lobby congress. He must not like his son too much

What is my claim? I didnt claim Buchanan lobbied anything?

[11th Earl of Mar]

11EofM: And if Pat Buchanan was so concerned about getting a tax cut for children, where was he when Bush was pushing it through Congress? What did he do to help?

PuNcH: LOL, where were you?!

OK, I'll play your game.

Where was I when 'what' happened?

[11th Earl of Mar]

I am thinking of that beer commercial..."Will you hold my Bud-lite?"

"Did you say, 'Bud' lite or 'butt' lite?"

[PuNcH]

Citizenship isn't the criteria Pat uses. Note the wording used, "culturally American". That's not the same as citizenship. What Pat's fans have been fumbling around with is how to define this

To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women should be encouraged via tax breaks to increase the country's population: "A free society cannot force women to have children, but a healthy society can reward those who preserve it by doing so."

To bolster "American cultural" numbers - American women

[PuNcH]

In addition to this, the Nazis would give those families cheap loans.

I went to your link. Weird nazi gifts, recognition, awards and discrimination based upon aryaninity, really have nothing to do with a tax break for American mothers.

[Aurelius]

The title:

"It's evening in America"

reminds me of a quote I saw somewhere.

"You can tell it's late in the day when pygmies cast such long shadows."

[budwiesest]

The 'West' has evolved away from the original rules that once guided it. Much like a football game, when the rules are not followed or enforced, it turns into a spectacle that few would pay to watch.

Imagine a Superbowl where one side got away with 'holding', 'roughing the passer','grabbing the face mask', 'stepping out of bounds', 'unsportsman-like conduct', etc. Half of the fans would leave the stadium. The rest remaining would continue to cheer their team as if a legitimate contest were taking place.

This is the West today. Senators like Feinstein and Schumer are pressing for a rule change to force the other side to play without helmets or pads. Mrs. clinton would like to impose 'first and fourty' for the opposing team at every first down. The refs aren't throwing flags because they can't see offenses, it's because they are too busy watching the media cheerleaders.

When infractions by the Right actually further the down-field progress of the Left, they go un-noticed also. Skin color and culture may only indicate those whom one might expect to have at least taken a glimps at the 'rule book', yet when both sides are willing to adapt their game plan in this evolving rules-of-the-game enviornment, a 'Superbowl' it is not.

[austinTparty]

When is Buchanan going to realize that Western civilization has been held together by Western ideals, not his white skin color?

When he's 6 feet under, most likely. I don't even waste time thinking about him, except to pity him. What a paranoid and pathetic universe he must live in, seeing bogeymen in every face that doesn't look like his and every voice that speaks with an accent.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

Guinn is spinning like a top. Buchanan doesn't say 'immigrants are to blame'.

THIS is what he really says: "If WE don't change how WE do things, WE'LL be gone by the middle of this century".

The US government is 100% responsible for the failure to enforce our immigration laws. Aliens and foreign governments merely take advantage of that fact.

[Jethro Tull]

They're real American beauties, aren't they...

[MadIvan]

You're missing the point. Culturally American is not the same thing as having American citizenship. Is that so hard?

And if you can't see the parallel between the state giving rewards to productive mothers under the Nazis and the state giving rewards to productive "culturally American" mothers, you need to have your eyes checked.

Ivan

[MadIvan]

We can see exactly what you said - that among other things you think our constitution, because it says "we the people" like any other democratic government must, is socialist.

You really missed the point. Just because a document says "we the people", that does not mean that the government it is supposed to codify is reflective of the wishes of said people, nor that it follows that document at all closely. Witness the Clinton Administration.

Next, you are republic not a democracy. That flew over your head - because a republic establishes a rule of a law, not of men. Democracy means that everything is up for discussion - when in reality, in order to preserve liberty, not everything should be up for discussion. Freedom of speech would be thrown out as soon as a rapper made an album with too many F words in it, if it were. By the same token, it means that the government and its representative institutions exists as an entity outside "the people" with its own interests and perogatives. Checks and balances are supposed to hold this in place, but this does not always work.

Hence, suspicion of government and all its works must remain a priority of conservatives. How you twist this basic principle into some supposition that I am a socialist is a study in dementia. I am the furthest thing from, but then again, I don't trust my government and wouldn't even if there was a singular document with "We the people" on it.

Ivan

[Jethro Tull]

#340: My dear Ivan,,,,remember this.

If American technology can count the nits on your head from 30,000 feet, we can damn well stop illegal terrorists from breaking into America.

What's been missing, and what Buchanan highlights in his latest book, is the national desire to halt THIS INVASION. Buchanan correctly places the blame on the cultural elite (now in political leadership positions) born of the '60's counter revolution.

This indifference to illegal immigration will change.

America is but one more WTC disaster away from a rebirth of unbridled nationalism...

You really should read his book before debating it's merits...

[MadIvan]

If American technology can count the nits on your head from 30,000 feet, we can damn well stop illegal terrorists from breaking into America.

The Chinese Communist Party used to say that because they had endless numbers of people that any project was possible. They were wrong and so are you. Never underestimate the power of human ingenuity.

And Comrade Pat has set out his stall in this article and on Drudge. Why should I reward his sludge with my hard earned cash?

Ivan

[Davidb72]

I suppose the remora dies as well, but answer me this... Who in your eyes is the remora???

[PuNcH]

You're missing the point. Culturally American is not the same thing as having American citizenship. Is that so hard?

Then why did Buchanan link them? You want Buchanan to be saying something else. You are the one who is trying to make a distinction between the two.

To bolster "American cultural" numbers, Buchanan concludes in The Death of the West, American women

[PuNcH]

And if you can't see the parallel between the state giving rewards to productive mothers under the Nazis and the state giving rewards to productive "culturally American" mothers, you need to have your eyes checked. Ivan

I dont see a parallel between Nazi rewards for aryan mothers and a uniform tax break for American mothers.

You are of course using "culturally american" out of context.