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To: DoughtyOne
To be honest - Jews have done as well in the US as they have in Israel. No Jewish ruled state was needed for Jews to be successful. But again - where do we stop? States for people with certain Rh factors? States for people with certain genes? Why states for people based on the amount of melanin they produce?

I've made my views on religion (all religions) pretty clear over the course of time I've been here. Nothing has been so divisive in spilt so much blood as goofy religious differences. I don't care what religion you practice as long as you respect the rights of others. And that's the key issue - fundamental respect of American ideas.

I think it is imperative to teach American political ideas to all newcomers - but Pat slips into the dark side by suggesting that it's a hopeless cause to educate non-whites about American ideals.

840 posted on 01/02/2002 4:23:59 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: garbanzo
My last comment for the time being would be that I will expect you to work with groups in all the nations I listed earlier, so that no one race dominates any of them. We'll see how well this works in any nation outside of the US and Europe.
844 posted on 01/02/2002 4:29:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: garbanzo
Pat doesn't say--or even suggest--that it's a "hopeless cause to educate non-whites about America." In fact, he explicitly declares in "Death of the West" that our history teaches that ANYONE, of whatever descent, can become a good American.

Of course, there are many good reasons to be concerned about the radical demographic transformation taking place throughout the Western world. One is the Burkean conservative aversion to radical change. It may be that using government policy to change the demographics of America--which is what our immigration policy does--will create a successful society. Then again, it might not. Why take the risk?

Also, there also is the risk that even if white Americans all are color blind, that non-white immigrants won't be, and that they'll use the political power conferred by their swelling numbers to discriminate against whites. Given the pervasiveness of affirmative action, and the current unwillingness of many Republicans to even mention this issue, this is not an unrealistic fear.

847 posted on 01/02/2002 4:35:44 PM PST by Thorin
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