BUCHANAN DECLARES: DEATH OF THE WEST

LOL! The hysterical garbanzo bean should be outstanding in his field with a multitude of diversified veggies.

I think he's taken root far out in left field somewhere. Lost in the weeds.

The problem is that Buchanan has gone from being merely a conservative dissident - to spouting what in reality is dressed-up Klan rhetoric

Don't you guys ever get tired of these stupid distractions and diversions? Klan rhetoric? Right! LOL!

This is funny stuff. Here we are being invaded by MILLIONS of criminals that defecate and spit on our soveriegnty and laws and you folks attack the only GD voice that speaks out against it.

Thats right, its Buchanan thats turned huge regions of our nation into camps. LOL! Forget all these millions of criminals, lets get Buchanan.

What BS....

My family has been in this country longer than yours. We're not going anywhere. Now it's interesting to see the claws come out. What angry that one of the lesser people's is standing up to your bigotry?

where you find that "too many brown people" on Hitler,s writings, speaches or whatever?

Buchanan makes NONE of the claims you attribute to him in the book. Why don't you try reading it before pontificating about it?

Diversity can be good or bad. During Pax Romana, Greek and Hebrew scholars obvioulsy enhanced the knowledge and well-being of the Empire, but Gauls and Germanic tribesmen in the roman legions made the entire military weak and divisive. So selective diversity should be practiced.

good thinking

"Pat is smart enough not to actually say n----r"

Sir, you are either ignorant or a bigot. Pat's running mate was Black.

Oh, gee. I just love pulling weeds. Dang ... sorry Garbanzo, you looked like a weed outstanding in your field. Better luck next time.

Granted Buchanan doesn't burn crosses or wear a white hood - but take a close look at what he's saying - that non-whites for some fundamental reason can't participate in the social and economic life of American. That non-whites are a threat to the religious foundations of America. That non-whites are inherently incapable of being successful. I haven't heard him mention interracial marriage but I expect it soon.

I was going to weigh in but you just said it all.

NUMBERS 121 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.

3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

4 And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.

5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.

No - I've shown how what Buchanan is advocating is almost identical to the rhetoric you see coming from various racist organizations. You claim that I'm distorting him - I've just asked for good evidence, not proof, that his views differ substantially from those espoused by the KKK.

Buchanan makes NONE of the claims you attribute to him in the book. Why don't you try reading it before pontificating about it?

Good point Thorin. A few posts back, garbonzo was accusing others of distorting the facts and resorting to slander.

Is a very difficult balance. Americans want their SUVs bigger and their Gas cheaper... Are you willing to pay an unionized oil worker $35/hr. or more to produce oil in the US? Pay between $5.00 and $7.50 per Gallon? Most Americans do not. I do feel sorry for those who can not afford education and even more for those who think they don't need it... the future is going to the very hard for them.

The issue is ILLEGAL immigration! I said nothing about wage and price competition from international commerce. That is why I termed the decline in wages for some Americans that are impacted by illegal immigration as ARTIFICAL. They aren't supposed to be here anyway! You can talk all you want about your future vision of America (it's hardly original as any WSJ reader would know) but as the population of 3rd world immigrants continues to grow in this country and as more of them vote you can forget about returning America to its conservative limited government roots. America will only accelerate its move towards socialism, ever higher taxes, ever greater welfare spending (at the expense of the military), more erosion of freedoms and more morally bankrupt presidencies like Clinton. It's already happening. People like you are the useful idiots of the left.

What occurs to me, and I find it sad, is that you are not able to discern the difference with what Buchanan says and Klan rhetoric. There is a difference.

There are nations all over this planet that are 90% this or that and nobody including Buchanan or I find that improper. But if the U.S. is 90% white, some consider it a definate problem. Why? Today it's seemingly a definate problem that it's 65 to 70% white. Again, why? Why was it okay for Bill Clinton and Gray Davis to celebrate the fact that the White race was no longer 50% of California's populas? What is this emphasis for diversity if not open season on whites? Are you blind to this?

I ask if you are blind to this issue, because I would find it offensive to try to reduce the numbers of blacks or people of Mexican heritage as a part of our nation. But when the shoe is on the other foot, nobody, or at least very few people find this objectionable. We have gone from about 75 to 80% white just a decade or two ago, to between 65 and 70% today. Do you find it an admirable goal to reduce our percentage of the populas as a whole to numbers below 50%? Well, that's where we're headed. If current trends hold constant, this will happen within twenty to thirty years.

Buchanan has noted this. His statistical projections for Europe and the US are irrefutable. I don't see people lamenting the percent of Vietnamese as a whole of their nation's populace to the detriment of others. I don't see anyone lamenting the Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, African nationals, Arabs, Indian nationals, Philipinos, Mexicans, Cambodians, Laotians, Brazilians, Peruvians or any nation's domestic populace being over represented within their own borders. But that's exactly what's happening to the majority race in our nation?

Is it racist to address this issue? If you consider it to be, then you must be of the opinion that it's okay if there isn't a single nation on the face of the earth that has a majority white populace. Where could whites go for self-determination if the US and Europe were to go majority non-white? Blacks could find a majority black nation. Mexicans could find a majority Mexican nation. Only the whites are deemed racist if they wish to maintain the status quo. Why?

The Klan has sought to keep blacks, Jews and others in an inferior position within our nation. They intimidated blacks, Jews and others and perpetrated acts of terrorism against them. Buchanan doesn't support that. And the attempt by anyone to link him to those types of activities is unfortunate. It denegrates Pat and the person who tries to make that claim.

In this nation we have fought to give blacks and all other ethnic groups equal access and treatment under the Constitution. Do you think Pat objects to this?

Somehow the idea that whites who wish to maintain self-determination are racists, has been accepted. How can that be? I don't consider Chinese, who wish to establish and live under their own laws, racist. The same goes for any other race or nation. Why then do some seek to deny this to whites?

It's time for a reality check bud.

Ok tell me why Pat felt it important to write a book about "Third World" immigration?

Because the vast majority of immigration now occuring is "Third World" immigration.

As opposed to immigration from white Europeans or Canadians?

Presumably this is what his book expounds on. Based on current data and trends, he is extrapolating to future consequences based on current immigration policies. As I pointed out earlier if he includes Japan as one of the "undersirable" nations, then yes he probably is basing his argument on racial distinctions, otherwise it sounds like he is making cultural distinctions.

Ok tell me why Pat felt it important to write a book about "Third World" immigration?

Because huge numbers of people who helped make the third world the THIRD WORLD want to pack up and bring their problems here, to the United States.

Race is immaterial, except to race baiters like you.

As opposed to immigration from white Europeans or Canadians?

Last time I checked Canada and European were part of Western Civilization. These are relatively free, stable, wealthy countries. Which means their citizens are less likely to go on the dole, or attempt to take advantage of race-based policies like affirmative action.

Why is that Pat finds it alarming that America may not be a majority white country in the future?

The race factor wouldn't matter if there were no such thing as a welfare state, affirmative action and multiculturalism. These institutions didn't exist during previous waves of American immigration, a factor most of the people who take your position choose to ignore.

Why does Pat associate the religion of Christianity with Europe when Christianity is practiced worldwide?

Do you have a quote to back this up? To my knowledge Pat Buchanan has never said Christianity is not practiced worldwide.

Why does Pat not like Catholic and Evangelical immigration from Asian countries that persecute Christians?

It's called being consistent and intellectually honest. IOW, opposing these immigrants is a necessary part of his an overall (non-racial) argument against immigration.

Many Asiatic countries are hell holes (do you disagree?), and many of those immigrants would bring more with them than Christianity, whether you will admit to it or not.