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To: grania
"Isn't anyone in charge concerned that the US is losing, or has lost its ability to be self sufficient if everyone who didn't like us got together and declared a war?"

That's one of the many aspects that bothers me. All the hotshot economists declare what a good thing it is for the American consumer to have access to all these goods at attractive prices, but they don't have an answer for what happens when a war or someting cuts off that supply.

We had a sample of that when we had a shortage of things like sugar and copper and rubber during WW2. It wasn't a lot of fun. What with the US importing 65% of its crude oil these days, an embargo of our supply would be catastrophic.

61 posted on 12/27/2001 2:01:33 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
That's one of the many aspects that bothers me. All the hotshot economists declare what a good thing it is for the American consumer to have access to all these goods at attractive prices, but they don't have an answer for what happens when a war or someting cuts off that supply.

We had a sample of that when we had a shortage of things like sugar and copper and rubber during WW2. It wasn't a lot of fun. What with the US importing 65% of its crude oil these days, an embargo of our supply would be catastrophic.

This nation is drunken in a self delusion that we will not suffer war. So much to that fact that congress sits in denial of the very one we are in refusing to declare it such. People better start looking beyond their stock portfolios and start looking realistically at what is probabilities. Then their beloved shares in joint China ventures will be useless. Personally I think this nation is being used as useful idiots to build China's factories and technology and when that is accomplished China will turn on us like a Doberman just fed it's last piece of meat by a thief.

This nations leaders are deep in corporate pockets and could care less about the sovereignty of this nation. They sold us out. Both parties sold us out. I forgive neither for it. This is going to be what Panama was to Carter but then again I think Bush would have turned it over it as well. The very thin line between Gore vs Bush just got thinner. Both it seems agreed more than they disagreed this even by Bush's own words.

68 posted on 12/27/2001 2:17:48 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: nightdriver
We had a sample of that when we had a shortage of things like sugar and copper and rubber during WW2. It wasn't a lot of fun. What with the US importing 65% of its crude oil these days, an embargo of our supply would be catastrophic.

It isn't just the shortage of natural resources, since there's a lot of cutting back that could be done by consumers, but the transition would be horrendous. I'm concerned that we no longer make our own shoes, appliances, computer parts, etc. We don't have the ingenuity that my dad's generation (WWII) did about fixing cars and other machinery, building things, running small businesses.

And, we are in an economic system where the corporations are so profit and globally oriented that the skills necessary for survival aren't really happening. Really, what are urban-suburban people whose skills involve flipping hamburgers and putting price codes through readers going to do in a real calamity when the powers that be take off to their secluded hideaways?

But, nothing's gonna' happen folks, the chinese are our friends!

172 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:29 AM PST by grania
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