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To: Dat
Incidentally, are you pro-choice?

I wondered how long it would be, before someone asked me this...

After all, whatever stand I choose makes no difference, when I decide to debate an issue based on facts and logic. Emotion does well, when trying to understand your spouse, your children, your life and where you want to be, in it. Unfortunately, emotion rarely matters, in the legal arena...

My particular feelings on whether pro-choice or pro-life, are utterly irrelevant. But, FWIW, here goes.

I cannot hold a baby in my arms, and not be amazed at the marvel of nature, that allows such a tiny thing to grow to be an adult. I think that, were abortion done on every street corner, there'd be a lot less FReepers out here, tonight. I think abortion makes sex a recreational activity- one with very little, in the way of consequences. And I believe that many abortions are performed, because having a child was an inconvenience that could easily be disposed of...

The liberals would have you believe that there is some sort of caveat, about saving the life of the mother, which transcends all other arguments from the pro-life crowd... But that's BS, and everybody knows it. It's a question of convenience, and nothing more...

This being said, I also recognize the realities of the current society: life has little meaning, the "if it feels good, do it" crowd has been at the helm for way too long, and sex is simply one more extracurricular activity to enjoy with (or withold from) a significant other. Gay activity is considered heroic, even daring (in light of the AIDS epidemic). Right is wrong, wrong is now right. The world has been turned nearly upside down...

Getting rid of a federal law allowing abortion will NOT change society. It'll force it back to the state courts, and they will have to decide. The states that decide to abolish abortion, will cause a black market- as with drugs, where there is a demand, there WILL be a supply...

So, what would changing Roe v. Wade accomplish??? NOTHING.

The change, as JoeMamma aptly enunciated, is necessary at a societal level. Until this happens, and we have true change in attitudes about premarital sex, abortion and move back towards "old school" attitudes... The Roe v. Wade decision will continue to be a straw man, useful to divide the conservatives, and useless in reality...

FReegards,

106 posted on 12/21/2001 8:39:29 PM PST by Capitalist Eric
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To: Capitalist Eric
After all, whatever stand I choose makes no difference, when I decide to debate an issue based on facts and logic.

Talk, talk, talk, blather, blather, blather, if you ever choose to post a fact, please ping me.

111 posted on 12/21/2001 8:43:41 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Capitalist Eric
Bill Clinton vetoed a bill banning partial birth abortion. In principle he shouldn't have any say in the matter and neither should congress. However, we live in the world of "facts and logic" as you have repeatedly proported (but have yet to demostate) and the issue will come up. If possible I believe most people on FR would pick a strict constitutionalist who would leave R v. W to the courts over a strict pro-lifer who wouldn't, but in the real world, it is highly unlikely such a scenario would occur.

Incidentally, would you vote for someone who believed in gun control but was a strict constitutionalist who thought owning a gun shouldn't be a right, but would use an ammendment to overturn it?

134 posted on 12/21/2001 9:17:00 PM PST by Dat
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