[Paul C. Jesup]

I really dont think that this is that difficult, If one has a penis, one is a male. If one has a vagina and clitoris, one is a female.

ProudAmericanConservative, this faulty view, that a person's mental gender is defined by that person's physical gender, can be traced back to the flawed reseach of Dr. John Money.

If want you to learn more on this subject, go check out the book titled: As Nature Made Him: the Boy who was Raised as a Girl, by John Colapinto.

[ProudAmericanConservative]

"ProudAmericanConservative, this faulty view, that a person's mental gender is defined by that person's physical gender, can be traced back to the flawed reseach of Dr. John Money." I dont give a crap about mental gender!!!! If you have a penis you are male, if you have a vagina you are female. Keep the rest of the psychobabble for some pointyhead, who may actually ascribe some validity to it. When you go to the doctor, what do you put down for your sex?? Male or Female?? If you say to the Dr. "Well Doc, I know I have this penis and all, but I'm really a girl, so gimme some birth control pills." The first trip you will make from that Doctors office will be straight to a mental unit.

[aruanan]

ProudAmericanConservative, this faulty view, that a person's mental gender is defined by that person's physical gender, can be traced back to the flawed reseach of Dr. John Money.

If want you to learn more on this subject, go check out the book titled: As Nature Made Him: the Boy who was Raised as a Girl, by John Colapinto.

Sentence #2 contradicts sentence #1, if you're attempting to use what was learned in sentence #2 as some kind of demonstration that sentence #1 is faulty. That book demonstrates that physical gender had a greater impact on gender identity than environmental influences. However, when someone is born with an intersex disorder, it may be difficult to make this determination by physical characteristics alone. And even though someone with pseudohermaphroditism may genetically be male, the lack of androgen receptors makes it impossible that this individual could EVER manifest secondary sexual characteristics appropriate to his karyotype.