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Girls to Guys -- It's on the Rise
San Francisco Examiner ^ | 12/19/01 | Tanya Pampalone

Posted on 12/19/2001 8:58:59 AM PST by medlarebil

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To: wideawake
You can't cure mental illness with surgery.

True. How sad. And a sad commentary on a "tolerant" society that allows mentally ill people to find doctors who will mutilate them for a buck.

241 posted on 12/20/2001 11:13:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: ArGee
You are wrong, that's the show you are talking about, the two people you are talking about are also a couple.
242 posted on 12/20/2001 11:15:22 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: ArGee
That is the worst circular logic I have ever heard of.
243 posted on 12/20/2001 11:18:07 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
**So, you would prefer to believe the leftist media and Jerry Springer.**

You have as great a talent for twisting words as you do bending genders. Obviously, if this tidbit came from Jerry Springer or the leftist media it would be *disinformation* for the purpose of trying to silence the right. It would carry as much weight as a Bill Clinton denial.

And I expect whatever documentation you unearth to verify the "90%" part too.

244 posted on 12/20/2001 11:20:14 AM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You are wrong, that's the show you are talking about, the two people you are talking about are also a couple.

Dude! First, I am absolutely not wrong about not having cable. I think I could be considered a reliable source on that topic.

Also, I know I didn't see the iguana-man on TV. I read about the iguana-man in an article. I saw the puma-man on TV.

Maybe I saw a news magazine show that used an excerpt from the Ripley show, but I didn't see anything on TBS.

Shalom.

245 posted on 12/20/2001 11:32:10 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Tall_Texan
It may take me a while, but I will try my best to find them. After all it has been six months since I read them, finding them again is going to be a little difficult, because I don't put them in my favorites folder.
246 posted on 12/20/2001 11:32:36 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: All
Don't know if anyone has pointed it out yet, but there is a natural name for the surgical procedure associated with this transformation. It is to be called an "Addadictomy"
247 posted on 12/20/2001 11:34:27 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Paul C. Jesup
That is the worst circular logic I have ever heard of.

Whatever it was, it wasn't circular.

The support that commandments have to do with heart issues (like not misusing sex) comes from the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7. The support for marriage being only between a man and a woman comes from Genesis and 2:24 and Matthew 19:4.

Since my source isn't my conclusion and my conclusion isn't my source that isn't circular reasoning.

First you know more about my house than I do, then you re-define logical concepts.

That's not the best way to get your viewpoint accepted.

Shalom.

248 posted on 12/20/2001 11:35:22 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
That is possible.
249 posted on 12/20/2001 11:36:28 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
XX and XY chomosome combinations are not as important as to which gender the baby . . . devolops into . . . .

. . . . .

During the early stages of devolopment in the womb, a XY chomosome brain experiences what is called a testosterone wash, not if there is not enough testosterone administered at this time in devolopment, the XY chomosome brain will default to a female brain. Also, if a XX chomosome brain experiences a testosterone wash, there is a that it will devolop into a male brain.

. . . . .

Later in the XY chomosome fetal devolopment, the XY chomosome body requires a constant supply and high amounts of testosterone to devolop in a male body. If the XY chomesome boby does not get a constant supply of testosterone or not enough of testosterone, the XY chomosome sexual organs and sexual genitals will begin to revert back to female sexual organs and genitals. Also, if a XX chomosome begins to recieve testoster from the womb, then there is a chance that the XX chomosome will begin to devolop male sexual organs and male sexual genitals.

This is the strongest evidence as to what causes physical gender deformities, including a person with XX chomosomes to have a penis and a person with XY chomosome to has a vagina.

I have heard all that before, and it does not impress me.

The Y chromosome makes you a male and not having the Y makes you female.

That a person's body can be modified by altering hormone levels does not change the underlying genetic makeup of that person.

Here's the thing: Sex developed as a means to enhance adaptation of a species to a changing environment.

Sex did not develop to make penises or vaginas, such structures are secondary.

I do not care what the appearance of a person is--whether the person seems to have a penis or vagina--I care what the person's genes are all about.

Those XX's with so-called penises and those XY's with so-called vaginas, tell me: can the XX's testes (if XX's ever have testes) produce sperm and impregnate a woman? Can the XY's ovaries (if XY's ever have ovaries) produce an egg that can be fertilized?

And if someone who has XX, for example, feels like she has the mind of a man trapped inside a woman's body--can any amount of surgery equip that woman with a male reproductive system producing sperm that bears the person's own X and Y chromosomes?

Sperm that is capable of participating in the continued development of the sexual species?

I doubt such mutations are fertile, and were they fertile, they could no produce sperm with the person's Y chromosomes because they have no Y chrosmosomes. A real man's sperm can contain Y chromosomes, and hence be a real player in evolution--which is why sex exists to begin with.

250 posted on 12/20/2001 11:36:54 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Paul C. Jesup
And as a man myself, when I yearn for something soft, that something soft better be made of XX's--inside and out.
251 posted on 12/20/2001 11:42:21 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: ArGee
What you are saying is that commandment forbids sex outside of marriage. But that is not what it says. It just forbids a married person from having sex with anyone other than their spouse.

If you don't realize that, then you need to go back and reread that commandment as many times as it takes for you understand what it truly says.

252 posted on 12/20/2001 11:42:50 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Age of Reason
If you don't believe me. Go do some medical reseach yourself. You'll find that I am right.
253 posted on 12/20/2001 11:45:45 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Equality 7-2521
They now give them a handfull of pills and send them home.IMHO. My opinion is based on personal observations since my wife worked in this business.
254 posted on 12/20/2001 11:53:44 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Also, the leftist liberal homosexual groups have only paid a token responce, lip service towards transsexuals. The leftist liberal homosexual groups don't really like transsexuals either.

You have made your point again! Who does? Both sides of the isle find the topic disgusting. The conservatives pehaps find it amusing as well, since they generally have a better sense of humor. I would not make the leap to acceptance since they are laughing at transgender folks, not with them!

255 posted on 12/20/2001 12:02:16 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Paul C. Jesup
If you don't realize that, then you need to go back and reread that commandment as many times as it takes for you understand what it truly says.

Well, I disagree on what I need to do. I don't just read one verse or another when I read the Bible. I read the whole thing regularly. And, to understand any part you need to understand the whole.

However, according to my source (and I am not a Hebrew scholar) the commandment speaks to breaking wedlock. If you are not wed and have sex, then you are breaking wedlock with an unknown future spouse.

Most importantly, however, G-d's commands (all 613 of them) speak to heart issues, not circumstantial issues. You are an adulterer if you have sex with other than your wife and for a reason other than to create a union with your wife. If you don't have a wife yet, you are certainly having sex with a woman for a reason other than to create a union with her, and you are violating G-d's law.

Shalom.

256 posted on 12/20/2001 12:23:35 PM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
However, according to my source (and I am not a Hebrew scholar) the commandment speaks to breaking wedlock. If you are not wed and have sex, then you are breaking wedlock with an unknown future spouse.

You don't even realize how irrational your above statement is. You statment is basically, that people are married, before they are married, and that make no sense at all.

257 posted on 12/20/2001 12:40:17 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: wirestripper
But don't you find that the least bit ironic?
258 posted on 12/20/2001 12:41:27 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You don't even realize how irrational your above statement is. You statment is basically, that people are married, before they are married, and that make no sense at all.

I'm sorry it wasn't clear to you. It is still clear to me. I did not say that people are married before they are married. I said that people are married except when they aren't.

Shalom.

259 posted on 12/20/2001 12:47:34 PM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Nope, that is exactly what you ment by your previous statement.
260 posted on 12/20/2001 12:51:15 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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