Posted on 12/19/2001 8:58:59 AM PST by medlarebil
Out of a population of six billion there are just some people in the world that don't fit your view of either male or female.
The human mind is far more complex than the body it is housed in.
By your views, a person is no more than the sum of the parts of that person.
And you are wrong.
I guess that you don't even know where liberals stand on the nature versus nurture arguement.
If you did, you would realize that it is you who are the tree huggin leftist on this subject.
I understand that some women (note I said **some**) women want to be men and that some women want so badly to be men that they are willing to subject themselves to risky surgery and riskier hormone treatments in order to be men.
The puzzling question is why? Often the gays reaffirm their lifestyle by asking who would want to be gay if they truly had a choice, what with the discrimination, the beatings, the immuno-deficiency, why, nobody would choose such a thing which must mean they were "born that way" and had no choice at all.
So I ask, who would want to be a man, what with the discrimination, the humiliations, the constant dissing in the media, the military conscripton and being the person who has to put his ass on the line every time someone threatens your property or loved ones? Surely, the only way I would choose such a lifestyle is if I were "born that way". You know, I'll bet it's genetic!
BTW, since your nick is "liberaldem" in reverse, does this mean you are secretly one or does it mean you're the opposite of one?
BARF!
Just a thought. Ever read about Edgar Cayce?
Suppose there is something to re-incarnation?
Suppose you lived in the last few lives as one gender and then were born to the other gender?
Talk about confusion!
A person with XX chromosomes is female--no matter what she "looks" like.
And a person with XY chromosomes, is a male, no matter what he "looks" like.
Providing, of course, we are speaking of genuine X and genuine Y chromosomes, and not some freaky mutated X that has lost a leg through some damage or other, and so looks like a Y.
If a person has, for example, XX chromosomes and yet has what "appears" to be a male sex organ because of some weird mutation or birth defect or other mutilation, then I sure wouldn't blame her for wanting her body to better express her true sex, as determined by her female, XX, chormosomes.
But if someone who is XY and has a pensis--i.e., is a normal male--wants to make his body resemble that of a woman's by having a "surgeon" cut him and stitch him into a different shape--that guy remains a guy and I will refer to him as a he.
Likewise, the XX person is a woman is a woman is a woman.
And should there be something that does not fit either of the two above categories, then it is not male and it is not female: It's a third sex or it's sexless.
Regarding a "functioning penis", I heard not long ago of a male to female to male transexual. Basically he was either disfigured or born with some defect that left his male organs damaged in some form, so a doctor preformed gender reassignment surgery on him when he was an infant and his parents raised him as a female (the doctor, IIRC, wrote a book on the "success" of it all). All his life he never identified well as a female and it wasn't until he was an adult that he discovered what really happened. He since had a second surgery to restore his male appearance to match his identity, complete with pump-action penis (yes, the term makes me snicker too). He has since married, though I don't know (and do doubt) whether he is able to father children of his own. Since his penis is arguably not "fully functional", is he not a man even though he was born male, obtained surgery to reestablish himself as male and intends to live as a male?
I seem to remember the case you're citing as one where the fellow was a victim of a botched circumcision; the doctors then compounded that error by advising the parents that the kid would have emotional problems over his stunted organ, and so would be better-off as a "girl"--he wasn't: he wasn't made a real girl and he wasn't better-off; because he had the male, Y, chromosome.
You know, you may have a point there.
All day I've been feeling like a baboon trapped in a human body.
I think I'll find a doctor who will transplant hair all over my face, implant a silicone snout in my face complete with plastic fangs, and fashsion a tail from tissues cut from my thighs.
Then I shall truly be a baboon, and can be denied my civil rights and kept in a zoo.
Oh joy! Oh, fulfillment!
Or do we operate on the brain?**
What if the tranny believes he/she/it should have been born a chicken? Should we perform surgery to give him/her/it a crop, a vent and wings? Maybe we could transplant some DNA and hope it takes! After all, if **thinking** you are a certain creature makes it so, I think I'd like to be a giraffe.
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