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To: Diamond
I am trying to emphasize that it couldn't pop into existence out of absolute nothing.

You're right, but once you remove that from a historical sequence (i.e. time), it is equivalent to saying that there isn't just nothing. In other words, existence exists.

The concept of "causation" presupposes time.

227 posted on 12/20/2001 11:06:57 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
The concept of "causation" presupposes time.

In a sense, causation actually is time. By that I mean that causes precede their consequences, and the causal sequence of events probably lies at the core of our everyday notion of the "flow of time" from past to future. I know that the literature speaks of time's "arrows", being different manifestations of time, but it seems to me they all reduce down to causality. As always, when speaking with you, I'm prepared to be corrected.

237 posted on 12/22/2001 11:12:05 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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