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To: dubyagee
That statement is exactly the condescending attitude I'm referring to. Maybe it's not that they don't understand it. Maybe because of the holes they simply CHOOSE to reject it, or simply explore other areas. Maybe in their minds ID makes more sense than evolution. If they have the same credentials it makes them no less intelligent!

I really don’t mean to be condescending, I am just pointing out a fact: ID is not within the realms of science.

I suggest that you read “Darwin’s Black Box” by Behe and “Mere Creation” By Dembski. The men who wrote these are apparently very intelligent and knowledgeable in their fields. They have obviously confronted scientific facts that current theories cannot explain, so they invoke “The Designer”. But by introducing an outside force, an intelligent designer, they have stepped out of the bounds of science. It may feel better to believe in this ID, but feeling good is not very scientific.

Spend some time in examining Dembski’s “Explanatory Filter”. If you can’t see that this is a “god of the gaps” solution, try entering with the filter with some data, but pretend that you have no more knowledge then what was available 100 years ago. You will find a great number of things falling through to ID, but if you reenter the filter with today’s knowledge, you stop at laws.

Amazing how the “god of the gaps” gets smaller everyday.

183 posted on 12/19/2001 2:02:50 PM PST by nimdoc
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To: nimdoc
I really don’t mean to be condescending, I am just pointing out a fact: ID is not within the realms of science.

I have seen Behe's intellect bashed numerous times on this very forum. There is another fact: Even if evolution were fact, ID is a possibility. If the cause of this universe and all that's in it is the work of ID and science in all it's work overlooks this possibility, overlooks this simply because it not logical, seems to me they're the ones who aren't acting intelligently.

To explore ALL avenues with no set destination is the only way to discover.

188 posted on 12/19/2001 3:22:27 PM PST by dubyagee
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