To: shrinkermd
The universe is too complex, the conditions for life too exacting, to conclude that it could have developed in such a sophisticated way without help from some "external agent." So who guided the development of this "external" agent. Geeze, you think a professor would see the problem is one of "first causes." He just adds a layer. A turtle on a turtle -- and calls the problem solved. Don't they have any deep thinkers in the religious advocacy field???
4 posted on
12/18/2001 7:14:43 AM PST by
jlogajan
To: jlogajan
Try to think of the universe as infinite in magnitude. There exist universes infinitely smaller and larger than ours. There is no end in either direction. We were created by one life form which was created by another, etc...
8 posted on
12/18/2001 7:20:41 AM PST by
zoso82t
To: jlogajan
Geeze, you think a professor would see the problem is one of "first causes." ummm, that's why God is uniquely called the "first cause." I sincerely doubt the professor hasn't pondered that--by definition God is unique and eternal...never having been caused in the first place...
Since physics nearly universally accepts the compelling evidence of the "big bang" theory were essentially everything came out of nothing (a singular point)-- ie. the Universe has a finite beginning...Who caused that?
Is the Universe "self creating?" What else do you know which has ever been self creating?
To: jlogajan
Being a native of New Mexico, and all too familiar with UNM and it's left-wing agenda, it amazes me that this professor hasn't been lynched in front of the UNM Bookstore. (Where the anti-war protesters like to hang out.) In defense of our slightly loony state, the New Mexico Creation Science Fellowship does have a really good program going out here.
17 posted on
12/18/2001 7:30:10 AM PST by
NMVet
To: jlogajan
Yes, of course they do. Of course, you are assuming that there is no difference between contingent entities and necessary, self-existent entitites. Check out A.R. Peacocke, Ian Barbour, and John Polkinghorne for discussions of science and religion. Polkinghorne and Barbour are physicists. Peacocke is a biochemist. Each discusses the issues pretty fully. You cannot reduce the existence of God discussion to one line of argument or another, you really have to look at a variety of issues, but I won't go into them here. Those three authors are a good place to start.
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