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To: freeeee
admit some kind of objective social order, law--decency...accountable---not just "voluntary-libertarianism"...

also a Republic precludes a police state---

Did you read the George Will article?

Ever study social sciences--the "conservative art"?

It takes a 3/4 vote to change the constitution but liberals/libertarians are doing it by lies and dollars...routinely-perfectly!

52 posted on 12/14/2001 12:03:27 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
"It takes a 3/4 vote to change the constitution but liberals/libertarians are doing it by lies and dollars..."

As a full-fledged libertarian, I take offense to the way you attempt to lump Lib'rals with libertarians when they are diametrically-opposed polar opposites of each other. Are you trying to make a point, my GOPer FRiend, or are you just confused as to the reality of the situation?!

Just askin'...MUD

59 posted on 12/14/2001 12:13:04 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: f.Christian
admit some kind of objective social order

No initiation of force or fraud. A social order that is purely objective.

Did you read the George Will article?

Which one?

Ever study social sciences--the "conservative art"?

Social science (euphemism for social engineering) is a conservative art? HAHA! That'll be news to the conservatives on this sight! LOL!

It takes a 3/4 vote to change the constitution but liberals/libertarians are doing it by lies and dollars...routinely-perfectly!

You have no grip on reality. The only person in a position to do so who could be called libertarian (small l) is Ron Paul, and he votes 100% with the Constitution. He even authored a bill to require all bills to site the specific part of the Constitution that authorizes them. YOUR PARTY, in a beautiful example of bi-partisanship, made sure the bill never made it to a vote.

I could start an entire thread highlighting laws both R's and D's have done that violate the Constitution and would require an amendment to be legitimate. But I don't need to, you see, because FR is full of them, every single day of the week.

60 posted on 12/14/2001 12:16:26 PM PST by freeeee
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