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To: proud2bRC
I do comprehend the message. You think you have the right to decide whether my wife and I have a child. You think that because my wife is on the pill our relationship lacks emotional commitment. And I think you need to wake up and join the modern world. We have medicines to control or at least alter every function of our body, I don't see you guys trying to outlaw antacid. Once again it's the classic example that some people are afraid others are having fun. The punch line is that if you'd get off your holy roll for 5 minutes and realized what your place in the world really is you realize that your position is silly. You and your spouse should decide what is right for you, if that means no contraception ever go ahead, don't bother me none. But it just bugs the crap out of you that my wife and I use contraception, who's really got the problem here? Who's peaking in other people's windows? Who's trying to make rules for everybody for no defensable reason?
33 posted on 12/13/2001 1:07:49 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
But it just bugs the crap out of you that my wife and I use contraception, who's really got the problem here? Who's peaking in other people's windows? Who's trying to make rules for everybody for no defensable reason?

Personally, I don't care a wit what you or anybody does in your bedroom.

But when your contraceptives fail, as per SCOTUS, you (collectively, not you necessarily personally)demand abortion to clean up the failures.

That is when what you do in the bedroom does affect me, because the contraceptive mentality has necessitated legalization of abortion.

In other words, it affects me because a lifestyle choice has necessitated the underming of the US Constitution.

Abortion is not nor can it ever be Constitutional.

By making up this penumbra of a right to privacy out of thin air, SCOTUS undermined the Constitution.

Since the contraceptive mentality necessitated R v W, and R v W undermined my US Constitution, you better be damn sure I'm going to work to evangelize the culture, to turn back R v W.

Until this contraceptive mentality is replaced with the Christian mentality that held sway before it, abortion will never be defeated. I will not rest till abortion is defeated, for the blood of the innocents cries out to God for justice.

How many legions does the Pope have?

None.

The only power we have is the Truth. And I will not be silenced by your hysterical outcries. Contraception is mortal sin. Mortal sin permanently destroys one's relationship with God, when done with full knowledge and consent of the will, and therefore the punishment for mortal sin is eternal death.

Not as long as babies are killed in that place that should be a safe refuge, not as long as a blind culture blythely commits mortal sin with no herald to call them back, not as long as otherwise decent people make such foolish comments as yours, shall I remain silent.

35 posted on 12/13/2001 2:09:52 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: discostu
First, I am not posting directly to anyone here. I haven't found a way yet to post a thought without replying to another. With that out of the way...

I don't see a problem with a married couple using birth control. We use it ourselves. I think the question here should be the form of birth control.

An IUD is nothing more than a device which causes spontaneous abortion after an egg is fertilized. In essence, what an IUD is is a built in abortion. It does nothing to prevent pregnancy. What it does is save the woman from the trip to the clinic. I've never figured out why it was wrong for a woman to go to a clinic for an abortion after the fact yet it's perfectly fine for a woman to have something inserted into her body which would also result in an abortion after the fact.

Also, pills and shots are mostly to prevent pregnancy, BUT should that fail, there is an abortificant in it to cause a miscarriage. What is the difference between that and the morning after pill??? It's a lower dose built in morning after pill. You take RU486 and you're suppose to loose your baby. You take birth control pills and hopefully they'll prevent pregnancy BUT if they don't you're suppose to loose your baby. Again, the only difference is in the woman who wants a morning after pill has to go to the clinic whereas the woman on the pill takes hers every morning.

Now if a married couple wants to use spermicides, condoms, diaphrams, female condoms, or any other form of birth control whose purpose is to prevent pregnancy but doesn't kill a baby if they fail, well, that's different.

My husband and I have five children and three miscarriages and use birth control to prevent pregnancy (all of our pregnancies were planned except one). We do not use birth control that would kill our child should we make one.

I find it difficult to swallow that the same people who are so opposed to open abortion have no problem with the IUD or the abortificant found in birth control pills.


36 posted on 12/13/2001 2:09:58 PM PST by Mary Bear
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To: discostu
I do comprehend the message. You think you have the right to decide whether my wife and I have a child.

Natural Family Planning is every bit as effective as contraceptives, they just require more effort.

You think that because my wife is on the pill our relationship lacks emotional commitment.

Nobody said that, I am sure you and your wife have a wonderful relationship. I would say that is however despite the use of contraceptives rather than because of it. The larger issue however is the societal effects of contraceptive use. I agree with the article that the disconnection of sex from its proper place which the reproduction and bonding between partners in a committed marriage has led to many ills of which abortion is just one.

And I think you need to wake up and join the modern world. We have medicines to control or at least alter every function of our body, I don't see you guys trying to outlaw antacid.

No, because regulation of indegestion has no serious implications. The more important a thing is the greater care it must be dealt with. Reproduction is among the most important things for humanity and to alter its proper function can have disastrous results. Keep a lookout for a continutation of the precipitous fall in population rates in the West. Nations like Italy are literally dissapearing because their citizens have lost the will to give life to new generations. Contraception leads to selfishness, it does not seek to be open to life in the natural manner God intended, rather it grabs this gift as something to be controlled for one's own purposes. The West will cease to exercise the influence it has previously held in the world largely because of this attitude. The implications are far greater than you and your wife or any other couple.

44 posted on 12/13/2001 4:15:45 PM PST by st.smith
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