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To: ArGee
Now, for the first time in all of human history, the male half of the human race is free to use women as the sexual toys that they were intended to be without having to be concerned with stupid romantic entanglements or silly child support.

Hey, we men deserve some perks too, don't we?

Look, the freedom to make choices doesn't guarantee the choices made will be good ones, nor does it guarantee that people will even agree on what the definition of a "good choice" is. Some men will treat women as sex toys, and some women will accept that treatment (and some women will treat men as sex toys, plus all the other combinations and permutations). In other cases men and women will have much deeper and more meaningful romantic relationships because they don't feel trapped by unwanted babies or overwhelmed by the financial pressures of those children. It depends on the individuals involved, and what they want to do with their lives.

That's what a free society is all about.

23 posted on 12/13/2001 12:27:13 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: dpwiener
Look, the freedom to make choices doesn't guarantee the choices made will be good ones, nor does it guarantee that people will even agree on what the definition of a "good choice" is.

When all other things are equal, your analysis is a good one. All other things are not equal in sexual relationships. Women get pregnant. Men don't. Sometimes this puts the power advantage in the hands of a woman. In today's legal climate she can kill his preborn child and he can't do a thing about it. More often it gives the power to the man. In order to balance this, societies that care about their futures created the concept of family and created structures that protected women within the family and left them unprotected outside of the family.

However, with our fiddling with societal standards and mores, we have broken down that protection. Of course, as a society we are free to make that choice. But, as you pointed out, the freedom to make that choice doesn't guarantee it is a good one.

Dis-connecting the concept of reproduction from sexual activity has done more to harm women than to liberate them.

Shalom.

26 posted on 12/13/2001 12:42:04 PM PST by ArGee
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To: dpwiener
That's what a free society is all about.

Felt the need to bump that.

34 posted on 12/13/2001 1:20:33 PM PST by discostu
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