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To: CrossCheck
Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City.

Of course Mr. Chapman left that out.

2 posted on 12/13/2001 3:37:47 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
re : Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City.

But I read various reports of Cities that did not practise zero tolerance where crime also plummeted.

A reason given was the fact that the criminals were doing a better job of reducing crime than the police, killing each other off, the biggest cause of death amongst young black men was from guns, couple that with the mass abortion amongst young black women from the same class, and you have a fall amongst those most likely to cause street crime, young men and boys.

Cheers Tony

7 posted on 12/13/2001 3:50:19 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Dane
Fascinating. You wouldn't happen to have some documentation of this "fact" of yours, would you?
18 posted on 12/13/2001 4:09:31 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Dane
Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets

You believe that, do you? He just swept his magic wand and *poof* they're gone? You've GOT to be kidding. Can you cite a source for this "fact"?

22 posted on 12/13/2001 4:12:26 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: Dane
Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City.

He did? Really? So now it's not possible for any kid in NY schools to get cannabis or Koke? Or any member of the NY prison system to get the same? Maybe he got 'em "oof the street" but the trade just moved inside.

What are you smoking?

57 posted on 12/13/2001 5:38:05 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: Dane
"Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City."

Crime drops for a number of reasons. For example, when the economy is doing well, demographics(number of teenage males), and the advances in technology as it relates to security and surveillance. Not to mention the good samaritans and a focus on self-defense.

61 posted on 12/13/2001 5:45:53 AM PST by Liberty Teeth
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To: Dane
You really make this too easy . . .

Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City.

You still have yet to back up this claim with any sort of documented source. Is this a figment of your imagination? Probably.

An ill-informed comment from across the pond(England), where drugs are being legalized and crime is skyrocketing.

More creative thinking . . . Can you substantiate this claim?

Do you put drugs such as marijuana, crack, and heroin on the same moral plane as the Bible and firearms.

Two words: Straw Man . . . Two More Words: Logical Fallacy. You really should try to debate the actual topic.

Yep that's why the taliban made their money by growing and marketing heroin

Aren't illegal markets wonderful? It's your WOD that financed the Taliban.

If you think that Western Europe, especially England is so great, why don't you move there.

Is this an argument? Why don't you move to Singapore.

I guess you are an "occasional" pea farmer because you are to busy making "munchy runs" and laughing at your hand after toking on the bong all day.

This isn't even an argument. Two words ad homenem

I wouldn't be surprised if you have a Johnny Jihad in your future.

It NEVER stops with you. The ad homenem flow like milk and honey.

You have not made a single decent argument against the legalization of drugs. You seem to have a fun time attacking straw men and giving out ad homenem attacks. Other than that you're worthless.

72 posted on 12/13/2001 6:17:25 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Dane
Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City.

So what, crime plummetted in San Francisco and Willie Brown and Frank Jordan didn't do anything special. In fact, crime has plummetted in most major cities in the last decade.....gee, it couldn't have anything to do with the average age of the population increasing and the economic level of most people going up, could it?

74 posted on 12/13/2001 6:20:38 AM PST by Nate505
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To: Dane
Hmm, Rudolph Guiliani got the pot smokers and crackheads off the streets and crime plummeted in New York City.

Ha - You obviously don't live in NYC. Or, if you do, you don't live in my neighborhood.

86 posted on 12/13/2001 6:34:56 AM PST by gdani
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To: Dane
I am a productive member of society and I get high, many relitives of mine who are lawyers and scientists get high, and we have never harmed anyone. So what have you accomplished by making weed illegal?
388 posted on 12/13/2001 2:23:05 PM PST by illbenice
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