Rep. Issa (R-CA) Among Targets of Jewish Terrorist Bomb Plot (mine)

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The chairman of the militant [TERRORST] Jewish Defense League and a follower have been arrested in an alleged plot to bomb a major Los Angeles area mosque and the office of a Republican California congressman, among other targets, federal officials said on Wednesday.

JDL Chairman Irv Rubin, 56 and group member Earl Krugel, 59, who were arrested on Tuesday night, were charged with conspiring to bomb the King Fahd Mosque in the Los Angeles suburb of Culver City, the offices of Southern California Congressman Darrell Issa, who is the [CHRISTIAN] grandson of Lebanese immigrants and the Muslim Public Affairs Council office in the Mid-Wilshire section of Los Angeles.

``Last night's arrests confirm that we meant what we said: if you cross the line from expressing your political or religious beliefs to committing violent acts against those whose beliefs are offensive to you, then you will likely end up facing federal prosecution on charges carrying extremely long prison sentences,'' said John Gordon, U.S. Attorney for California's Central District.

The two men face one count each of conspiring to destroy a building by means of an explosive and possession of a destructive device during and in relation to a violent crime, according to an affidavit filed in the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles. If convicted each could face 35 years in prison.

Officials said the two men plotted with a third, a former JDL member, to make and detonate bombs. The third man, who was approached last October told authorities of the plot, officials said. No bombs were detonated and no one was injured.

A complaint against the two men said that Krugel told the informant the bombings were necessary because ``Arabs need a wake-up call.'' At that meeting Rubin added that the JDL needs to let people know they are ``alive in a militant way.''

The complaint added that the unnamed source was asked to photograph the Muslim Public Affairs Council and help purchase bomb components and that Krugel said he would build the bombs at his residence. The source would then place the explosives.

When the source asked Krugel how the bombings might affect human beings, he allegedly said: ``C'est la vie,'' Gordon said.

``The affidavit makes clear their primary motivation was to ... terrorize Muslims or Arabs and alert the national if not the local community to JDL's commitment to attack those targets,'' Gordon said.

The source told officials he was led to believe one bomb was to be placed in the offices of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). He arrived at Jerry's Famous Deli in the Los Angeles suburb of Encino with 5 pounds (2.2 kg) of explosive powder in his vehicle ready for delivery to Krugel.

The MPAC, which also has a Washington, D.C. office, describes itself as a public service agency working for the civil rights of American Muslims.

However at the deli meeting the two men said they had changed their targets and bombs were instead to be placed at the Culver City mosque and Issa's office. Gordon said he believed Issa, a Christian American of Lebanese descent, was targeted because he made statements the JDL disagreed with.

There was no specific time frame for when the bombs were to be detonated, however they were expected to be set off ``in the near future. Things were fluid,'' Gordon said.

Issa was not made aware of the plot because authorities only learned of it moments before the arrests, Gordon said.

Because the informant wore a wire when he met the two men, federal agents followed and arrested them a short time later. A search of Krugel's Reseda, California house turned up bomb making materials including caps, pipes and fuses and a dozen firearms. The bombs were adequate to cause ``considerable damage'' to the areas where they were to be detonated and possibly death to people in the vicinity, officials said.

Issa, who appeared at a press conference Wednesday flanked by several Jewish congressmen, thanked law enforcement officials for their quick action and said he had ``no way of knowing'' why he had been a target of the JDL. ``Like most Americans, my hope and wish is for a peaceful resolution to the Middle East conflict. Unfortunately, there are extremists on both sides who oppose a peaceful resolution.''

``I describe myself as an American,'' he said, when asked about his ethnic background. ``I'm an American, somebody who served in the military both as an enlisted man and as an officer, who does have an Arabic surname.'' He said he had grown up in a Jewish neighborhood.

Several Jewish congressmen stood by him and denounced the Jewish Defense League and urged prosecution of the suspects.

``This is a small group of wackos,'' said Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat. ``They get more attention than they deserve but they can't get more punishment than they deserve.''

The JDL was founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane, who was assassinated in New York in 1990. Prior to his death he founded the extremist KACH party in Israel which advocated the expulsion of all Arabs from Israel and Israeli-occupied territories. The party was later outlawed.

From the same LA TIMES story:
In her affidavit, FBI Special Agent Mary P. Hogan said she was first contacted by the informant on Oct. 18 about an unsolved 1985 homicide, the bombing death of Alex Odeh, western director of the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee in Santa Ana.

You read that entire article and don't know real propaganda when you see it? One of the credos of the JDL is to bring HONOR to the Jewish Community. I am telling you right now that this was a major set-up, and if you knew aything about the history of the JDL, you would understand why both ADL, Muslim interests, and the FBI would have seen this time as a perfect opportunity to take Rubin out of the sphere of politics. Kahane Chai is becoming a movement again in Israel, the JDL would protect Jews from the REAL antisemitism in this country, and they definitely do not want a proud Jewery since the hangdog ADL is the image most people would RATHER see. We don't consider ourselves victims, this notwithstanding.
PUT Irv in jail. Some nut Muslim will kill him and they know that too. This sucks all the way to its stinking core.
A million dollars 20 years later, for info leading to whoever bombed the scum, Odeh, will get them as many bogus witnesses as they can handle. Odeh was killed because of infighting between two factions, Hamas and Fatah, trying to control the funding and the way it was handled. This should make all you true haters proud. But you have it wrong. Irv Rubin is a name. JDL is an identity. It stands for strength and pride and has no interest in victimhood. So you won't kill the pride. You can only kill a man.

"One other point... the only reason for pointing out the "Jewish" identity here is to make sure the REALITY challenges the MYTH that "all terrorists are Arabs" or claim to be Islamic followers. There was a shameful kneejerk assumption regarding the Ok. City bombing and we'd do ourselves great harm to think simply "profiling" Arabs would end threats of terrorism."

McVeigh and Rubin represent less than one percent of one percent of the Christian and Jewish populations respectively. They are condemned by everyone who matters in their respective communities. Not so for Osama, he has hundreds of millions of supporters. McVeigh and Rubin didn't qoute their bibles after what they did, because their bible doesn't support such actions. Osama qoutes his bible all the time, because his bible does support such terror.

"Ah contrar on the "anti-Semetic" tag! Mr. Rubin, like over 80% of the Jews in what is now called Israel, is neither Semetic or of Semetic Origin."

I've heard this brought up a bunch of times, and frankly, it's about the stupidest remark one could make. It doesn't matter if the term anti-Semitic is gramatically correct or not, people know what it means and that's what matters. Just like an American means someone who is from the United States (not from Brazil even though Brazil is in South America) so does anti-Semitic mean someone who dislikes Jews. Maybe you should start campaigning that we call ourselves United Statesans instead of Americans. My feeling has always been when one resorts to semantics, they have nothing to contribute.

"Rep. Issa delcared himself to be a terrorist sympathizer by announcing that the Iranian, Syrian and Lebabnese backed Hizbulluh movement was a movement of legitimate social and political 'activists'. YOU are on the wrong side if you think ISSA is a hero or American Patriot of any sort."

I don't know anything at all about Issa, but you are a moron if you think there is any justification for trying to take him out. This is America not Somalia. Frankly, as someone who's supported Israel for as long as I can remember, some of the people on this board trying to defend this kook are beginning to freak me out. I know Jews, and I know Israelies, you do not even represent the tiniest fraction of those groups.

This "anti-semetic" thing is a bogus straw man, That is, it does not exist; hatred of the Jews simply does not exist in reality.

"...created by Zionists,.. That is prior to the Zionist movement, it did not even exist as a straw man.

"...to give credence to their invasion of Palestine beginning in 1947. Invasion? Of what country exactly?

By the same logic, you yourself are a straw man whom your parents invented in order to break into --- sorry, invade --- the Social Security office and get welfare payments.

Do you even reread what you write before posting? Do you really expect something like that to be taken seriously?

Rep. Issa delcared himself to be a terrorist sympathizer by announcing that the Iranian, Syrian and Lebabnese backed Hizbulluh movement was a movement of legitimate social and political 'activists'.

YOU are on the wrong side if you think ISSA is a hero or American Patriot of any sort.

Of what relevance is what Rep. Issa stands for? If the allegations are true, this is a disgraceful, shameful, atrocious act that has no justification whatsoever --- even if Rep. Issa were a white supremacist or Nazi. I would think that someone with the proud name boston_liberty should understand that.

My only regret is their use of the first word in the name "Jewish Defense League." Their planned actions, if indeed true, have nothing whatsoever with Jewish values. Nor do they have anything to do with traditional American values. They are nothing but a disgrace to both.

Re your # 90

What you choose to ignore is that the vast majority of Jews who live in Israel, as well as the person who is the subject of this string, are not of Semetic background. Your sophistry and rude personal invective will not change this fact.

In turn, there is nothing wrong with being either Semetic or non-Semetic in origin as you might understand.....It is the hypocricy of the Jewish claim to Semetism for sympathy, where and when not accurate, that is so pathetic.

Illbay,

Sorry for the late response, but here it goes:

It's not the thread that I was attacking. I POINTED OUT that we had at least two other threads on this subject. If some unknown had posted it, or someone not well known like newzjunkey, then I'd have let it go.

The fact is newzjunkey is well known on any Israel related thread. In all honesty, what does this case have to do with Israel, and yet it's here posted by mr. junkey. I'll tell you why he was so hot to post it, because he has a problem with Joooos. Face it, that's the fact. If he's critical of Israel, fine, but doesn't it seem like a coincidence that he posted this thread about Jewish "terrorists" as if to draw some parallel with the Mideast conflict?

That is why I said, what I said. I stand by it, because I'm familiar with the views of the poster, perhaps you are not.

"The Jews aren't really Jews. In fact, there's no such thing as anti-Semitism, those ghettoes and shtetls and incineration in pits was a political ploy by Zionists!"

You just prove my point about the Neo-Nazi/Anti-Semite residents here on FR.

As I already said several times on other threads, the acts of this organization, if true as alleged, are an abhorrent atrocity that has nothing to do with Jewish or American values. If their action were to be carried out it would be a criminal terrorist act. Just like for the therror of September 11, there is no justification of “understanding" of it.

At the same time, I would like to ask you, on what grounds did you write the following?
the militant [TERRORST] Jewish Defense League
Which of the actions of this organization make her a terrorist one? I think yo would agree that one should not through accusations such as this without offering any of the facts.

Also, what are you trying to achieve by this editing:
who is the [CHRISTIAN] grandson What are you trying to achieve here? Imply that Jews are against Christians?

Finally, regarding
I hope the irony of the above photos and facts are not lost on anyone here.
The irony was lost on me. What about those pictures?

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