Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531

In the year 1531 in Mexico, the Holy Virgin Mary appeared to Juan Diego, a peasant who was converting to Catholicism. It was the 9th of December, the original feast day of the Immaculate Conception, when Juan Diego was on his way to the Church for instruction and to hear Holy Mass. Juan heard someone calling him "Juanito...Juan Dieguito." Juan Diego looked to the top of Tepeyac Hill and saw a lady of overpowering brillance and beauty, who's garments shone like the sun. She appeared to be about 14 years old.

The Lady introduced herself in these words: "Know for certain, dearest of my sons, that I am the perfect and perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of the True God, through whom everything lives, the Lord of all things, who is Master of Heaven and Earth. I ardently desire that a temple be built here for me where I will show and offer all my love, my compassion, my help and my protection to the people. I am your merciful Mother, the Mother of all who live united in this land, and of all mankind, of all those who love me, of those who cry to me, of those who have confidence in me. Here I will hear there weeping and sorrows, and will remedy and alleviate their sufferings, necessites and misfortunes." She told Juan Diego to go the Bishop Zumarraga and tell him what he had seen and heard.

Juan Diego bowed reverently and said "My Holy One, my Lady, I will do what you ask of me."

Bishop Zumarraga had been sent by Spain to the New World to convert and instruct the native people. At that time in Mexico human sacrifice to the gods Quetelcoatl and Coatlicue, and various other pagan gods were occuring, as many as 20,000 victims would be sacrificed at the dedication of a temple.

Bishope Zumarraga had not been having much success converting the Aztec and native people and distrust and anger was spreading amongst the two. He had been praying to God for assistance and a sign, the sign was that of roses. Roses would be the sign that Bishop Zumarraga wanted in order to know that he was doing the right thing. But now it was December and roses were not blooming.

Juan Diego arrived and was greeted by the Bishop. The Bishop welcomed him warmly but upon hearing his story dismissed him pleasantly. Juan Diego thought he had failed and after hearing Mass and instruction returned to his home.

Our Lady appeared to him again, asking him if he had had success with the Bishop. Juan told Our Lady that he did not think the Bishop believed him and that perhasps she should send someone of greater importance. Our Lady smiled at Juan Diego, telling him that she had chosen him to be the deliverer of the message and urged him to return to the Bishop the next day and again make the request.

Juan Diego did return the next day and again gave the Bishop the message. Bishop Zumarraga was surprised to see Juan Diego again so soon. He questioned him a bit at length and again dismissed him. Now he wondered if there were something too Juans message. Before dismissing Juan Diego the Bishop told Juan that he needed a sign from the Lady to be convinced. Juan asked the Bishop what kind of sign he would like and he would tell the Lady the Bishops reequest. The Bishop told Juan that he would leave the sign up to the Lady to deliver.

On his way back home Juan Diego again encountered Our Lady. He told her that the Bishop had requested a sign but did not say what the sign should be. Our Lady told Juan: "That is very well,my little son, return here tomorrow and you will have the sign he requested." She also told him that he would be rewarded for all he had done on her behalf.

When Dec. 11th came Juan Diegos uncle, Juan Bernardino, was gravely ill and Juan Diego stayed by his side and did not go to the Bishop. All night he prayed and attended to his uncle until the morning of the 12th when his uncle took a turn for the worse. Juan wanted to get a priest to enable his uncle to recieve the sacraments before he died.

Juan now had a dilemma, if he went past Tepeyac hill he was sure to encounter the Lady. He wanted to get the priest in order to bring him to his uncle before he died but did not want to disappoint Our Lady so he decided to go around the other side of Tepeyac hill. He thought that surely Our Lady would understand.

As Juan Diego tried to duck Our Lady he was suddenly intercepted by her, as she called out to him "What is the matter my little son?" "Where are you going?" Juan explained to the Lady "Noble Lady, it will grieve you to hear what I have to say. My uncle, your poor servant, is very sick. He is suffering from the plague and is dying. I am hurrying to the Church in Mexico City to call a priest to here his confession and give him the last rites. When I have done this, I will return here immediately to convey your message." "Please forgive me and be patient with me. I am not decieving you. I promise to faithfully come here tomorrow with all haste."

There was a pause. Our Lady looked at Juan Diego and uttered the words that have rung down through nearly 5 centuries. "Listen and let it penetrate your heart, my dear little son, do not be troubled or weighed down with grief. Do not fear any illness or vexation, anxiety or pain. Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not your fountain of life? Are you not in the folds of my mantle? In the crossing of my arms? Is there anything else you need?" She then assured Juan that his uncle would not die from his illeness and at this very moment was cured.

She told Juan to go to the top of Tepeyac Hill and pick as many flowers as he could carry and bring them down to her. Juan climbed the hill and could not believe the multitude of Castilian Roses blooming on the top. They were blooming out of season. He gathered as many as he could carry and brought them down to Our Lady, who arranged them in his tilma (poncho made of cactus plant fibers. Our Lady arranged them and folded them up in Juans tilma. She told him that this was the sign that the Bishop wanted and to take them to him.

Juan Diego finally got in to see the Bishop with his bundle. The Bishop recieved Juan and Juan told him the following. "Your Excellency, I obeyed your instructions, very early this morning, the celestial Lady told me to come and see you again. I asked for the sign which you requested and which she had promised to give me. She told me to climb to the top of the hill where I had previously seen her, to pick the flowers growing there. I knew quite well that the summit of the hill was no place for flowers to grow, especially this time of year, but I did not doubt her word. When I reached the top, I was astonised to find myself surrounded by beautiful flowers. I plucked as many as I could carry and brought them back to her. She arranged them with her own hands and replaced them in my robe in order that I might bring them to you. Here they are. Behold, recieve them." With that Juan Diego released the ends of his tilma and the flowers, mingled with Castillian Roses, cascaded to the floor in a profusion of colour and perfume.

Zumarraga gazed speechless at the roses, the sign that he had been praying for peace in the country. Full of wonder he lifted his eyes back up to Juan Diego to find that the tilma now had an image of Our Lady appearing on it.

From that day, December 12th 1531, the tilma has survived, miraculously. At that time 8 million Mexicans and Aztec Indians converted to Catholicism. The human sacrifice to the pagan gods ceased.

For nearly 500 years there have been miracles through Our Lady and the tilma. Scientists have studied it, socialist revolutionaries tried to destroy it, there have been volumes written about the tilma, which is very much like the Shroud of Turin.

On this feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which means to the Aztecs "she who crushes the head of the serpent" I would urge you to read the story, say some special prayers to Our Lady, particularly to end the human sacrifice of abortion in this country.

I suspect that you are a little less sensitive to the anti sola scriptura, anti protestant, anti bible, anti everything non-catholic that comes out of catholics all over the FR. But that's what the FR is for and I don't see non-catholics whine about being challenged and mocked. We expect it. We are told to expect it.

You WILL be mocked if you continue to lie like this.

Wherever Our Lady goes, there Jesus is, just like in the Gospel.

Regardless of how you feel about Our Lady, what do you think of the miraculous tilma? Have you read about it? It is very much like the Shroud of Turin.

First, in the gospels, Mary followed Jesus, not the other way around, which may not be how you meant it above, but it is typed as such.

Second, if there is no mention of Jesus in the message, how are those receiving it to know He is there?

Regarding the shroud - I'm skeptical of it myself. And no I am not familiar at all with the tilma.

no I havent ..and I mean no disrespect...I've had a bit of a bad morning so I am being a smartA$$. But I was married to a Hispanic woman for 10 years and her very Catholic mother was in to worshipping all these different "Our Lady of This and That" apparitions....they were popping up all over the place....and some of them were, as i stated in my earlier post, on tree trunks, fogged glass, and yes...even cinnamon rolls...A cinnamon roll had an anamoly on it that looked like on of these "lady apparitions" on it, it was stuffed into a glass case and the faithful lined up for miles to pay homage to Our Lady of the Cinnamon Roll....It just seems like it's polytheistic as opposed to monotheistic...I choose to go by the words of Jesus Christ and he never told me to worship his earthly mom. He told me to follow him. And seeing as how he defeated death and was resurrected, i think I'll take his word for it.

Regardless of how you feel about Our Lady, what do you think of the miraculous tilma? Have you read about it? It is very much like the Shroud of Turin.

So, this "tilma" is a fraud, too?

;-)

I like your monicer, pro-life. The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe is the only apparition in which she appears or is depicted as pregnant. Our Lady has a black sash tied around her waist. I understand it means that she is "in ribbons" or pregnant.

She has promised that through the image of Guadalupe she will again crush the head of satan as she crushed the head of the serpent god Quatzlcoatl. And she will end the human sacrifice of abortion as she ended the pagan human sacrifices in 1531.

If you'd like to find out more about the Catholic faith you can call your nearest catholic church, I'm sure they have classes which you can attend to become catholic. Or, there is much information available from books or on line.

Best wishes.

False juxtaposition. All religion started with Adam and Eve. As time passed error, superstition, etc. crept in. Eventually, in some cases, you end up with full-blown paganism, but it would be impossible for find a religion without at least some shreds of truth left.

The point remains: If you dare call anyone's religious belief -- an apparition, triskaidekaphobia, idol worship, voodoo, whathaveyou -- a "superstition," TonyInOhio brands you a "bigot."

Or Anti-Catholic bigotry.

Ok, I see, if one points out that Mariology has no real Biblical or Theological basis, one is a bigot and catholic basher right? Sorry, guy, the burden of proof is in your court not ours. If you cannot handle theological debate, if it hurts your feelings, get off the thread.

Yes, I knew that when I posted this that the mud slinging would start. I thought about it for awhile. I'm sure that Our Lady can use this to touch someone and maybe convert them or they will find out about the image for the first time, like I did when I was 30.

She really is wonderful isnt she?

"Whoever is a little one, let him come to me"-Our Lady's words to St. John Bosco

(Wish someone could post Our Lady of Guadalupe's picture)

Oh, just like they hated Jesus without cause, they hate Our Lady without cause, without finding out for themselves. Even Martin Luther, one of the fathers of protestantism, had a devotion to Our Lady.

"...the faithful lined up for miles to pay homage to Our Lady of the Cinnamon Roll...."

LOL! I'm going to be laughing at that one all day long.

Personally I think there are about as many true Catholics Christians as there true Protestant Christians. Your theology might be a little different than mine but the belief in Christ as Savior and Lord is there. Personally I would have more problems with some of the Protestant belief systems than I would Catholicism but I think that it has been the work of Satan himself to destroy the catholic(one true) church(not the denomination).

That being said I do have a question

I ardently desire that a temple be built here for me

The statement is a little troubling in that why should he build a temple for Mary? Again, not an attack, just a theological question

Can any of you fellow Catholic FReepers put a picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the post? I'm afraid I can't do it.

I'd be happy to help out ...

Ok, I see, if one points out that Mariology has no real Biblical or Theological basis, one is a bigot and catholic basher right?

Oh yes, that's exactly how it works. If you crawl on your belly in trying to be kind and patient you get squashed but if you just come out mention that one book, you know the dusty one, you are a bigot and a lurker who just lives to hate RC's.

"There is only one "Holy One", and that is Jesus Christ the Lord!"

Amen.

No comment on the rest.

Sorry, Cap'n, but this is the only photo of the image I could find -- all the others are paintings of it. I tried to make it larger, but it doesn't enlarge well. If you click here, you'll see a much larger version of it.

I see where the confusion is, yes, wherever Jesus is, His Mother is there also. For Catholics we know that if a Church is built Jesus will be recieved in Holy Communion and always present in the taberacle. In this appearance of Our Lady, she appears pregnant, in fact she is a living tabernacle.

In the Gospel, the angel appeared to Mary to announce the birth of Jesus, Mary brought Jesus to us when she said yes to God. Mary also brings Jesus to us when she appears, just like she did at Guadalupe. We can be like Elizabeth when Mary went to visit her, or like John the Baptist who was sanctified in Elizabeths womb when Mary spoke to her.

Read Our Lady's canticle in Luke.

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