Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531

Catholic History | 12 12 2001 | Cap'n Crunch

[sinkspur]

I suspect that you are a little less sensitive to the anti sola scriptura, anti protestant, anti bible, anti everything non-catholic that comes out of catholics all over the FR. But that's what the FR is for and I don't see non-catholics whine about being challenged and mocked. We expect it. We are told to expect it.

You WILL be mocked if you continue to lie like this.

[agrace]

Wherever Our Lady goes, there Jesus is, just like in the Gospel.

Regardless of how you feel about Our Lady, what do you think of the miraculous tilma? Have you read about it? It is very much like the Shroud of Turin.

First, in the gospels, Mary followed Jesus, not the other way around, which may not be how you meant it above, but it is typed as such.

Second, if there is no mention of Jesus in the message, how are those receiving it to know He is there?

Regarding the shroud - I'm skeptical of it myself. And no I am not familiar at all with the tilma.

[Delbert]

no I havent ..and I mean no disrespect...I've had a bit of a bad morning so I am being a smartA$$. But I was married to a Hispanic woman for 10 years and her very Catholic mother was in to worshipping all these different "Our Lady of This and That" apparitions....they were popping up all over the place....and some of them were, as i stated in my earlier post, on tree trunks, fogged glass, and yes...even cinnamon rolls...A cinnamon roll had an anamoly on it that looked like on of these "lady apparitions" on it, it was stuffed into a glass case and the faithful lined up for miles to pay homage to Our Lady of the Cinnamon Roll....It just seems like it's polytheistic as opposed to monotheistic...I choose to go by the words of Jesus Christ and he never told me to worship his earthly mom. He told me to follow him. And seeing as how he defeated death and was resurrected, i think I'll take his word for it.

[newgeezer]

Regardless of how you feel about Our Lady, what do you think of the miraculous tilma? Have you read about it? It is very much like the Shroud of Turin.

So, this "tilma" is a fraud, too?

;-)

[Cap'n Crunch]

I like your monicer, pro-life. The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe is the only apparition in which she appears or is depicted as pregnant. Our Lady has a black sash tied around her waist. I understand it means that she is "in ribbons" or pregnant.

She has promised that through the image of Guadalupe she will again crush the head of satan as she crushed the head of the serpent god Quatzlcoatl. And she will end the human sacrifice of abortion as she ended the pagan human sacrifices in 1531.

If you'd like to find out more about the Catholic faith you can call your nearest catholic church, I'm sure they have classes which you can attend to become catholic. Or, there is much information available from books or on line.

Best wishes.

[newgeezer]

False juxtaposition. All religion started with Adam and Eve. As time passed error, superstition, etc. crept in. Eventually, in some cases, you end up with full-blown paganism, but it would be impossible for find a religion without at least some shreds of truth left.

The point remains: If you dare call anyone's religious belief -- an apparition, triskaidekaphobia, idol worship, voodoo, whathaveyou -- a "superstition," TonyInOhio brands you a "bigot."

[realpatriot71]

Or Anti-Catholic bigotry.

Ok, I see, if one points out that Mariology has no real Biblical or Theological basis, one is a bigot and catholic basher right? Sorry, guy, the burden of proof is in your court not ours. If you cannot handle theological debate, if it hurts your feelings, get off the thread.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Yes, I knew that when I posted this that the mud slinging would start. I thought about it for awhile. I'm sure that Our Lady can use this to touch someone and maybe convert them or they will find out about the image for the first time, like I did when I was 30.

She really is wonderful isnt she?

"Whoever is a little one, let him come to me"-Our Lady's words to St. John Bosco

(Wish someone could post Our Lady of Guadalupe's picture)

Oh, just like they hated Jesus without cause, they hate Our Lady without cause, without finding out for themselves. Even Martin Luther, one of the fathers of protestantism, had a devotion to Our Lady.

[CoolGuyVic]

"...the faithful lined up for miles to pay homage to Our Lady of the Cinnamon Roll...."

LOL! I'm going to be laughing at that one all day long.

[billbears]

Personally I think there are about as many true Catholics Christians as there true Protestant Christians. Your theology might be a little different than mine but the belief in Christ as Savior and Lord is there. Personally I would have more problems with some of the Protestant belief systems than I would Catholicism but I think that it has been the work of Satan himself to destroy the catholic(one true) church(not the denomination).

That being said I do have a question

I ardently desire that a temple be built here for me

The statement is a little troubling in that why should he build a temple for Mary? Again, not an attack, just a theological question

[al_c]

Can any of you fellow Catholic FReepers put a picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the post? I'm afraid I can't do it.

I'd be happy to help out ...

[biblewonk]

Ok, I see, if one points out that Mariology has no real Biblical or Theological basis, one is a bigot and catholic basher right?

Oh yes, that's exactly how it works. If you crawl on your belly in trying to be kind and patient you get squashed but if you just come out mention that one book, you know the dusty one, you are a bigot and a lurker who just lives to hate RC's.

[It's me]

...THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO THE FATHER AND THAT IS THROUGH THE SON...

One way to the Son is through the Mother.

[Jn316]

"There is only one "Holy One", and that is Jesus Christ the Lord!"

Amen.

No comment on the rest.

[eastsider]

Sorry, Cap'n, but this is the only photo of the image I could find -- all the others are paintings of it. I tried to make it larger, but it doesn't enlarge well. If you click here, you'll see a much larger version of it.

[Delbert]

I don't need to talk to his mother to get to him..He told me to call on him anytime. Why call around when you can direct dial?

[Cap'n Crunch]

I see where the confusion is, yes, wherever Jesus is, His Mother is there also. For Catholics we know that if a Church is built Jesus will be recieved in Holy Communion and always present in the taberacle. In this appearance of Our Lady, she appears pregnant, in fact she is a living tabernacle.

In the Gospel, the angel appeared to Mary to announce the birth of Jesus, Mary brought Jesus to us when she said yes to God. Mary also brings Jesus to us when she appears, just like she did at Guadalupe. We can be like Elizabeth when Mary went to visit her, or like John the Baptist who was sanctified in Elizabeths womb when Mary spoke to her.

Read Our Lady's canticle in Luke.

[It's me]

Do both!