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Anti-War Demonstrators, War Veterans Square Off In Peaceful Gathering
NaplesNews ^ | 12-10-01 | MIREIDY FERNANDEZ/I.M STACKEL

Posted on 12/10/2001 9:37:04 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

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To: My Favorite Headache
Yep. Rage about sums it up.
41 posted on 12/11/2001 4:50:31 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied; summer
I feel exactly the same way....enraged that teachers like Harvey use their position to infect young impressionable kids with their 'hate America' agenda!

I will ask the School Superintendent if that is part of the Curriculum and if Mr. Harvey is ever supervised as to what he is telling children in his classes.

42 posted on 12/11/2001 10:27:36 AM PST by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
Mr Harvey should take some comfort in the fact I live on the east coast of Florida. It it were not a three hour drive, I would be outside his house right now protesting what he does.
43 posted on 12/11/2001 10:36:29 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
You freeping Gore in Palm Beach tonight?
44 posted on 12/11/2001 10:44:08 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Nope. I am sitting here waiting for the AC repairman to come and fix my central air. Pushed 80o today. Eat your hearts out Northeastern libs.
45 posted on 12/11/2001 10:58:50 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: My Favorite Headache; LarryLied
From today's Naples Daily News:

Editorial: War protest

Thursday, December 13, 2001

WAR PROTEST

Teach the children well — by giving both sides

Against the backdrop of Sept. 11, protests of America's war against the mass murderers hiding out in Afghanistan are hard for most of us to fathom.

That goes double when the organizers are public school teachers right here in Naples and some of those who sympathize with them are their young students.

What the teachers and students choose to do on their own time — for example, on weekends away from the classroom — is up to them.

That is the American way, with the exercise of free speech at its core.

Yet, the attention they crave comes with a bite. The spotlight last Sunday included an outpouring of counterprotest from armed services veterans.

The wanton killing of more than 3,000 innocents on airliners and in landmarks of the stature of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon is cause aplenty for U.S. troops — these veterans' comrades in arms and spirit — to venture into harm's way on foreign soil.

The teachers subject themselves to another kind of attention — public scrutiny of what they are telling students in the classroom. Are lessons about Sept. 11 and global terrorism accurate? Is Uncle Sam made out to be the bad guy as he was at Sunday's rally? Teachers and their administrators and policymakers have a special responsibility — now more timely than ever.

Responsible educators must ask themselves whether they have an undue advantage: students are younger and educators hold positions of power over them.

Still, at the foundation of all of this, there is a lot to be said for letting students hear all voices — even the most outrageous ones — and trusting students to act accordingly.

Most Naples-area teens — all but 15 or so — chose to do something else last Sunday afternoon. Their instincts tell them this band of teachers is on the fringe.

Give peace a chance? Give us a break.

Peace is what Osama bin Laden sneered at on Sept. 11.

Peace is what America is fighting for today.

46 posted on 12/13/2001 11:15:48 AM PST by JulieRNR21
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To: My Favorite Headache; LarryLied
Interestingly (to me) the Editorial in my post #46 raises many of the questions I posed to the Collier County Administrator who is acting as 'Public Liason'.

Here's what I learned: there have been a number of calls from parents in various schools and parents of graduates....but no parent in Ian Harvey's class has called. (Could there be fear of the affect on the student's grade?)

American History is taught in the Junior year but Harvey teaches English to Sophomores.

Currently, there in an internal investigation underway to determine if Harvey organized/promoted this protest within the classroom setting. If he did, he may be subject to 'disciplinary action'.

I left my phone number and was assured that I would receive (as I had requested) a 'follow-up' call when the investigation is completed.

If anyone wants to contact the public liason person; please freepmail me.

47 posted on 12/13/2001 11:29:23 AM PST by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
Bumping this BTTT
48 posted on 12/13/2001 3:56:54 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: LarryLied; OneidaM
Is this the guy you are looking for, Dwyer?
49 posted on 01/06/2002 2:32:09 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Hugh Akston
Or Ian Harvey?
50 posted on 01/06/2002 2:36:32 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Hugh Akston;My Favorite Headache
Thanks for finding this. No connecticution between Ian Harvey and Charles J. Bishop I guess but the plane crash is a good excuse to point out the sort of people we have teaching in government schools. Bet there are some Harvey's in Tampa too.
51 posted on 01/06/2002 3:04:04 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Bump
52 posted on 01/06/2002 3:44:28 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: Hugh Akston; LarryLied
ACK!! Why can't I BOOKMARK anything?? #@$%&*!!!

The IAC seem to be @#$%ing everywhere, don't they. We need an infiltrator at our rally, at least to take names. I can't do it, LOL, they will surely recognize me.

53 posted on 01/06/2002 3:46:00 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: LarryLied
. No connecticution between Ian Harvey and Charles J. Bishop

But Larry, somebody, somewhere got hold of this kid. Maybe in florida, maybe in Massachusetts, maybe in Englaand. I was at an IAC meeting in December and there were at least 300-350 people there, with the full blessing, support, and participation of the so-called "church" that gave them their meeting space. All of them total zealots. Brainwashed. Most of them looked young enough to be students. Now imagine those students becoming teachers.

I hate these people, I hate them, I hate them. And I'm beginning to think they were IN ON Sept 11. Yes, I am.

Just not the tolerant person I used to be anymore. These folks are truly dangerous.

54 posted on 01/06/2002 3:53:03 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart; larrylied
Yeah, they are everywhere.

There are also groups under different names that also trace back to the same bunch, including a few in Pinellas County. I have not yet found any writeups, however, that mention any teachers from this kids' High School.

55 posted on 01/06/2002 4:07:06 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: hellinahandcart
Even the left is worried about the cult-like nature of the IAC. From Infoshop.org:

The International Action Center is a prominent Left organization located in New York City which is known for organizing large Left protests. What most people don't know is that an authoritarian Left organization stands behind the IAC, an organization known as the Workers World Party. Both organizations have been criticized by Left activists for supporting dictators such as Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein. They have also been criticized for their authoritarian activist methods and for their cooperation with the police.

The IAC are like the "Borg" of the Left. They always want to be friends with you and they want you to sign onto their projects. They get the momentum going for their projects by creating deceptive lists of endorsers and then they use this to manipulate other groups to sign on. A critical mass develops behind their event, which ends up being big enough to give the IAC the credibility that it is really interested in. . .MORE


56 posted on 01/06/2002 4:50:38 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Thank you, bookmarked.
57 posted on 01/06/2002 5:06:26 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: My Favorite Headache
"Why don't we listen to giving peace a chance?" asked McLoughlin. "One war doesn't stop another war. Is that a solution?"

Yeah, Hitler just wanted to be friends with everyone. Didn't the U.S. get the memo?

58 posted on 01/06/2002 5:11:05 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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