[11th Earl of Mar]

We are going to miss you, Jesse.

And I would like to know who the 21 were.

[nocommies]

your whole post is my sentiment exactly. i love jesse, a good old american, proud of it, and refreshingly unapologetic about it.

[11th Earl of Mar]

Here is how the votes went:

The 78-21 roll call by which the Senate voted Friday to bar U.S. participation in a new international criminal court.

On this vote, a "yes" vote was to bar American participation in the court and a "no" vote was to kill the proposal.

Voting "yes" were 32 Democrats and 46 Republicans.

Voting "no" were 18 Democrats and 3 Republicans.

Democrats Yes

Baucus, Mont.; Bayh, Ind.; Breaux, La.; Carnahan, Mo.; Carper, Del.; Cleland, Ga.; Clinton, N.Y.; Conrad, N.D.; Corzine, N.J.; Dorgan, N.D.; Durbin, Ill.; Edwards, N.C.; Feinstein, Calif.; Graham, Fla.; Harkin, Iowa; Hollings, S.C.; Johnson, S.D.; Kerry, Mass.; Kohl, Wis.; Landrieu, La.; Lieberman, Conn.; Lincoln, Ark.; Mikulski, Md.; Miller, Ga.; Nelson, Fla.; Nelson, Neb.; Reid, Nev.; Rockefeller, W.Va.; Schumer, N.Y.; Stabenow, Mich.; Torricelli, N.J.; Wyden, Ore.

Democrats No

Akaka, Hawaii; Biden, Del.; Bingaman, N.M.; Boxer, Calif.; Byrd, W.Va.; Cantwell, Wash.; Daschle, S.D.; Dayton, Minn.; Dodd, Conn.; Feingold, Wis.; Inouye, Hawaii; Kennedy, Mass.; Leahy, Vt.; Levin, Mich.; Murray, Wash.; Reed, R.I.; Sarbanes, Md.; Wellstone, Minn.

Republicans Yes

Allard, Colo.; Allen, Va.; Bennett, Utah; Bond, Mo.; Brownback, Kan.; Bunning, Ky.; Burns, Mont.; Campbell, Colo.; Cochran, Miss.; Collins, Maine; Craig, Idaho; Crapo, Idaho; DeWine, Ohio; Domenici, N.M.; Ensign, Nev.; Enzi, Wyo.; Fitzgerald, Ill.; Frist, Tenn.; Gramm, Texas; Grassley, Iowa; Gregg, N.H.; Hagel, Neb.; Hatch, Utah; Helms, N.C.; Hutchinson, Ark.; Hutchison, Texas; Inhofe, Okla.; Kyl, Ariz.; Lott, Miss.; Lugar, Ind.; McCain, Ariz.; McConnell, Ky.; Murkowski, Alaska; Nickles, Okla.; Roberts, Kan.; Santorum, Pa.; Sessions, Ala.; Shelby, Ala.; Smith, N.H.; Smith, Ore.; Snowe, Maine; Stevens, Alaska; Thomas, Wyo.; Thompson, Tenn.; Thurmond, S.C.; Warner, Va.

Republicans No

Chafee, R.I.; Specter, Pa.; Voinovich, Ohio.

Others Not Voting

Jeffords, Vt.

Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[Republican Wildcat]

TODAY'S FLOOR VOTES

The following roll call votes took place on the Senate floor today.

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(Rollcall Vote No. 359 Leg. )

December 7, 2001   6:02PM


BILL NO.: H.R.3338
AMENDMENT NO.: S.Amdt. 2336

TITLE: Helms Amdt. No. 2336

REQUIRED FOR MAJORITY: 1/2
RESULT: Amendment Agreed to


                              YEAS --- 78
  Allard                  Ensign                  McCain
  Allen                   Enzi                    McConnell
  Baucus                  Feinstein               Mikulski
  Bayh                    Fitzgerald              Miller
  Bennett                 Frist                   Murkowski
  Bond                    Graham                  Nelson (FL)
  Breaux                  Gramm                   Nelson (NE)
  Brownback               Grassley                Nickles
  Bunning                 Gregg                   Reid
  Burns                   Hagel                   Roberts
  Campbell                Harkin                  Rockefeller
  Carnahan                Hatch                   Santorum
  Carper                  Helms                   Schumer
  Cleland                 Hollings                Sessions
  Clinton                 Hutchinson              Shelby
  Cochran                 Hutchison               Smith (NH)
  Collins                 Inhofe                  Smith (OR)
  Conrad                  Johnson                 Snowe
  Corzine                 Kerry                   Stabenow
  Craig                   Kohl                    Stevens
  Crapo                   Kyl                     Thomas
  DeWine                  Landrieu                Thompson
  Domenici                Lieberman               Thurmond
  Dorgan                  Lincoln                 Torricelli
  Durbin                  Lott                    Warner
  Edwards                 Lugar                   Wyden

                              NAYS --- 21
  Akaka                   Daschle                 Levin
  Biden                   Dayton                  Murray
  Bingaman                Dodd                    Reed
  Boxer                   Feingold                Sarbanes
  Byrd                    Inouye                  Specter
  Cantwell                Kennedy                 Voinovich
  Chafee                  Leahy                   Wellstone

                            NOT VOTING --- 1
  Jeffords


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[nocommies]

ill bet the house hitlary was one of the 21, maria cantwell, carnahan, schumer, kennedy, the typical freaks, and carnahan is told how to vote by hillary anyways.

[Recovering_Democrat]

I watched the vote. Two Republicans from what I could tell: Arlen Sphincter and George Voinovich of Ohio (surprised me, too.) Most of the "yes, let's allow our military personnel to be tried by Syrian judges" votes were people like Daschle.

A strange side note: Even Hitlery Clinton voted with Helms. Weird.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

bump

[hinckley buzzard]

...a weaker amendment by Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT)

What else should we expect from the degenerate scum-son of the corrupt Tom Dodd (D-CT) who was thrown out of the senate by his own party (no mean trick, considering they all are whores and scoundrels) for being a criminal psychopath?

[OldFriend]

Dodd knows all about being a player.

[VA Advogado]

Me too. Clearly these 21 are simply there to promote their agenda. No right thinking individual would want to subject our solider to this, especially since they're bitching about foreign troops being subject to our own military courts. America haters, all 21 of them.

[Lancey Howard]

Richard Dicker, who directs the international justice program of Human Rights Watch, called the Senate vote "a low point in the U.S. Senate's commitment to strengthening international human rights."

That's all I need to know....
YIPPEEEE !!!

[betty boop]

You've got to be a player....

This ought to be a no-brainer, 11th Earl of Mar. Unless you think the American people really ought to submit, to freely choose to subject their personal rights to some "foreign," fundamental rule of law outside our constitutional (not to even mention our cultural) system.

Personally, I think this would be a really bad idea, on both constitutional and substantive grounds.

So don't give me any cr*p about the joys and advantages of being a "player." You're either in this game, or you consign yourself to eternal status as "tick" on the backside of an ass.

Now, you might ask, which game are we talking about? Too which I might respond: Try your eyes, kiddo.

I can't make my POV any plainer. So this looks as good a place as any to simply stop.

So I shall. best wishes, bb.

[MissAmericanPie]

May God bless this great patriot, and I am pretty impressed with the number in the Senate that supported the amendment. This court, that is being proposed, has no controlling legal authority over it, no one elected to the office, and no redress of injustice that it might be imposed on, not just military, but individual citizens.

When the first shot out of the box is that this court considers a hate crime as "denying a woman an abortion", and, "hate speech regarding homosexuals", it's simple enough for a child to see what a dangerous court with global reach that this entity can, and most likely will, become, given history's lessons that all power is abused eventually.

This is the reason I will not vote for Rick Perry here in Texas, he signed the vague, "it means what ever we want it to mean", "Hate Crimes Bill". Were I on a jury I would not be able to convict if the crime in question was based on hate crimes legislation. Hate crime, hate speech, is in the ear of the beholder and far to vague for anyone with common sense to stake some defendents future on.

[Excuse_Me]

Richard Dicker, who directs the international justice program of Human Rights Watch, called the Senate vote "a low point in the U.S. Senate's commitment to strengthening international human rights."

Well, if Dick Dickhead doesn't want to dicker about it, I'm for it. On the other hand, if Dick Dicker wants to be a dickhead, there's not much we can do, as it seems to be his nature. The U.S. Senate has a commitment for strengthening American rights, not International Courts.

[Hillary 666]

Opponents such as Dodd retorted that if the United States does not join in establishing the court, "Our men and women in uniform will be subjected to terrible rules. You've got to be a player."

Screw that. The U.N. has no jurisdiction in U.S. operations and we should not lend relevence the U.N. and their attempts at totalitarianism.

[rwfromkansas]

this is stunningly good news

[AmericanVictory]

Nice to see that Horatioua is still at the bridge.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Helms' amendment, similar to freestanding legislation he introduced this year, would bar U.S. cooperation with the court, including use of federal funds or the sharing of classified information. It would give the president the power to use "all means necessary and appropriate" to free any American detained by the court.

It also would limit U.S. involvement in overseas peacekeeping missions unless the United Nations exempts American troops from prosecution by the court. Additionally, it would restrict foreign aid to other countries that fail to sign accords preventing American troops within their borders from being delivered to the court.

Oh, yeah! Let's let these globalists know what time it is!

[spald]

"The new court, to be established as a permanent body at The Hague, Netherlands, was created by a 1998 treaty that President Clinton signed but the Senate has not ratified."

Boy, what a bunch of knuckleheads. If the Senate hasn't ratified the treaty, how could the permanent body be created?

[FreedomPoster]

Opponents such as Dodd retorted that if the United States does not join in establishing the court, "Our men and women in uniform will be subjected to terrible rules. You've got to be a player."

What an idiot. From what I can tell from the news, we ARE a player. In fact, we are THE player. If any other country tries to hold one of our military people for their little kangaroo international court, we should consider it an act of war and spring them immediately. I don't care if we're immediately sending them before a U.S. military tribunal under UCMJ, and thence to Leavenworth.

[Dustbunny]

Thank you Senator Helms.

You will be missed!