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Get Enforced Atheism Out Of Our Schools
Toogood Reports ^ | 11/07/01 | Isaiah Flair

Posted on 12/06/2001 2:50:38 PM PST by Dr. Octagon

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1 posted on 12/06/2001 2:50:38 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Dr. Octagon
Bump for a great idea!
2 posted on 12/06/2001 2:53:56 PM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: OWK
One thing we agree about...

govt. schools were made to protect/reward the losers---and punish/limit the winners---all backwards--forced subsidization of public education(monopoly) by private education is a tyranny and unfair restraint of trade--freedom!

3 posted on 12/06/2001 2:58:11 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Dr. Octagon; 2sheep; Kevin Curry; Sabertooth; BRL; RnMomof7
nice post. i agree with your observations. i also like your solution that puts parents back in charge of their kids education.

is it any coincidence that our public schools started going south about the time that prayer was forced out?

4 posted on 12/06/2001 3:04:53 PM PST by mlocher
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To: mlocher
is it any coincidence that our public schools started going south about the time that prayer was forced out?

It started long before that. Look at this:

1933 - "The first Humanist Manifesto is published. Co-author John Dewey, the noted philosopher and educator, calls for a synthesizing of all religions and "a socialized and cooperative economic order." Co-signer C.F. Potter said in 1930: "Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American public school is a school of humanism.  What can the theistic Sunday schools, meeting for an hour once a week, teaching only a fraction of the children, do to stem the tide of a five-day program of humanistic teaching?" -- A History of the New World Order
See also the article at the top of this link for the four kinds of thinking that destroyed America:  The U.S. -- A Modern Babylon?
5 posted on 12/06/2001 3:18:33 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: mlocher
You know, conservatism is about choice, is it not?

So, if you don't like what's happening in the public schools, take them to private schools.

Am I missing something? Oh wait, you'll start whining about your taxes supporting something or the other. Tough.

Read it again: Tough.

6 posted on 12/06/2001 3:21:19 PM PST by VillageDamien
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To: VillageDamien
We prefer to either 1) have public schools that are not hostile to our beliefs or 2) not to fund public schools if we have to seek education outside of it to protect our children from that institution, if you don't mind. And even if you do.....
7 posted on 12/06/2001 3:54:27 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: Malcolm
Well said!!!
8 posted on 12/06/2001 3:57:14 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: toddhisattva
The God of Israel is the Christian God as well. And there is none greater.
10 posted on 12/06/2001 4:17:34 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Dr. Octagon
Amen and bump for a good idea.
11 posted on 12/06/2001 4:23:24 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Dr. Octagon
Good article, but rather than dream of polishing the turd of public schooling, I simply enrolled my daughter in a private Christian academy. She's in pre-kindergarten now, and they are studying Christmas and learning the same songs I learned at the age of four.

You can't polish a turd. Government controlled public schools will stink no matter how you get them to sparkle. Since I can't flush the public school system away, I avoid the stench and the exposure of my own child to its contagion.

12 posted on 12/06/2001 4:26:03 PM PST by Twodees
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To: LarryLied
FYI
13 posted on 12/06/2001 4:37:30 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Dr. Octagon
Your policy proposal might be a good one even if you give bad arguments for it. Speaking of which, is there any public school in the country that forces students to say "I do not believe in God" or "God does not exist"? That would be enforced atheism.
14 posted on 12/06/2001 4:41:13 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: 2sheep
The NEA and AFT both subscribe to Dewey's thinking. Just read their publications.
15 posted on 12/06/2001 4:41:50 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
In effect, they are forced to disclaim God, when they are forced to proclaim competing ideologies instead, such as secular humanism.
16 posted on 12/06/2001 4:46:53 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Dr. Octagon
I'm trying to imagine Joey and Suzi in third grade forced to declare allegience to the ideology of secular humanism. Can you quote for me the creed that the schools make them recite? If it's long you can just cut and paste the "In effect God does not exist" part.
17 posted on 12/06/2001 4:55:48 PM PST by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
It also comes under the name of outcome based education. It is not a slogan or a pledge, but an all-encompassing ideology indoctrinated into unwitting students. A further explanation would go long; I recommend checking out "Outcome-Based Education" by Luksik and Hoffsecker. Available from Amazon.com
18 posted on 12/06/2001 4:59:49 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
is there any public school in the country that forces students to say "I do not believe in God" or "God does not exist"? That would be enforced atheism.

I think you knocked that strawman right over; nice job.

As you know, public schools are openly hostile to any hint of religious expression including the wearing of a tiny cross, Star of David or probably even a crescent moon pin. Secular Humanism is the 'new' religion and the teaching of evolution does not do much for most Christians. Not that creation was ever taught in public schools as far as I can recall. I do know that teachers have gotten into official hot water simply for reading a bible in an empty classroom during a scheduled lunch break. Enforced atheism? Not literally, but hostile and anti-religious might be an apt description. Even simple patriotism is frowned on in some school districts. The loony left has won via the NEA and the slightest whiff of religion is forbidden.

Absurd that parents/taxpayers have let this come to pass but they did and we're stuck with it for a long time to come. My hope is that the rise of private secular and religious schools and the big jump in homeschooling will have an effect that will eventually tamp down the loony left's stranglehold on our public schools and at least open them up to the acknowledgment of religion in American life as they once did. Teaching kids how to actually read, write and do math would be nice, too.

19 posted on 12/06/2001 5:01:32 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Reconstruction in Philosophy by John Dewey(1935)

"While it is impossible to retain and recover by deliberate volition old sources of religion and art that have been discredited, it is possible to expedite the development of the vital sources of a religion and art that are yet to be... by the courage of intelligence to follow whither social and scientific changes direct us." (p. 212)

Yes, by "discredited" he was taking about Judaism and Christianity

20 posted on 12/06/2001 5:03:20 PM PST by RobbyS
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