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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: WIMom
your = you're, sheesh, I hate when I do that.
2,861 posted on 12/02/2001 8:08:14 AM PST by WIMom
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To: Ratatoskr
I believe so. My first husband was French-Canadaian! Yikes, what a group!
2,862 posted on 12/02/2001 8:09:02 AM PST by Howlin
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To: ReaganGirl
Because this is not a publicly traded company and as a LLC does not have to disclose the items you suggested

I understand it does not have to. I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud. I almost gag at the thought of saying this, but if you have nothing to be ashamed of, why hide it. As a conservative, it drives me nuts to have someone say this about government intrusion into private affairs, but I'm not the government and this doesn't seem to be private as it asks for and accepts public money.

It isn't really a business as you don't really sell anything (so all the comparisons to grocery stores is silly) but it it isn't a charity for technical reasons. It seems more like a Political Action Committee and maybe I'm wrong, but don't they reveal their expenses and allocations. I could be wrong on that.

Look at the trouble the Red Cross got into when they tried to stonewall inquiries. It just seems that whatever the facts are, putting them on the table would end the controversy.

If you still have concerns about how your mom is spending her money then you should become her guardian and take over her finances. If I thought that my parents were "throwing money down a hole" that's what I would do.

LOL! You don't know my Mom, well, maybe you do but believe me, she may ask for my advice but she is no where near the need for a guardian. As far as I'm concerned, she can sign over the deed to the homestead to Jim, if that's what she wanted to do. She asked for advice from me because she wanted a disinterested party's view of the situation.

The last thing I wanted to do these last sunny days is sit here picking through all this but FR is important to her and she is important to me.

2,863 posted on 12/02/2001 8:11:23 AM PST by A_dutiful_daughter
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I wonder what they'd do if they could "take over" the place. I have a feeling there would be a mass booting in the first hour. Everybody that disagrees with THEM would be gone.

Since they know so much better than Jim how to run a successful web site, maybe they should start their own and --- oh, wait, they've tried that several times, haven't they?

2,864 posted on 12/02/2001 8:11:51 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Z2
Did it bother you to see six different antifreeper sites fail because you couldn't get along with anyone? Does it bother you knowing that you've posted at least five different opus's citing your reasons for retiring from "antifreeping", but you couldn't stick to your word? Does it bother you knowing that TDE issued a challenge that you refused to acknowledge? Do you think that taking antifreepers off-shore made it the success it is today?

I (we'll) wait patiently for your answers. Thanks in advance!

2,865 posted on 12/02/2001 8:12:46 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud.

Since you're "new" here, maybe you ought to be told that there are WAY over 50,000 users on this forum.

Less than TEN of them are asking all these probing questions. (Don't even try to say there are more than that; they use different screen names, but they ARE the same people).

Those ten people want to destroy this forum and Jim Robinson; they are sort of like cancer; they haven't realized yet that if they destroy the "body", then they won't have a life either. Stupid cancer.

2,866 posted on 12/02/2001 8:17:01 AM PST by Howlin
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
The only people "implying fraud" are the handful of libelous losers at the AF sites. Does the term "disingenuous" mean anything to you?
2,867 posted on 12/02/2001 8:17:16 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Howlin
...I would suggest you might want to take her aside and have a discussion with her as to the meaning of the words "PRIVATE COMPANY."

I would suggest you consult a legal dictionary as to the meanings of "CHARITY" and "PUBLIC TRUST."

2,868 posted on 12/02/2001 8:18:26 AM PST by Z2
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To: IronJack
Does FR get a percentage of sales?
Yes.
What is that percentage?
100.

Excuse me, but that means the merchandise is donated? There are no costs of manufacturing? I think that's unlikely.

2,869 posted on 12/02/2001 8:19:44 AM PST by A_dutiful_daughter
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To: Z2
In case you didn't notice, even "the new girl" blew off your "charity" thing.
2,870 posted on 12/02/2001 8:20:07 AM PST by Howlin
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud

Mostly because it never works. Jim has never tried to hide anything, but the serpent's seed of doubt grows well in small minds, so the AF's are never content with any explanation given. This war goes on continuously, has for years. By now, all the concerns have been addressed a thousand times, yet every six months or so we have to have this exercise. Why? Because the questions aren't a means toward an end. The questioners aren't interested in truth, but in indicting this site through innuendo, diversion, and just plain repetition.

This is a waste of time and bandwidth. We don't need to justify ourselves to anyone, especially people who are our sworn enemies.

2,871 posted on 12/02/2001 8:24:15 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Howlin
HA. These are the same people who dont want "religion crammed down their throats", spouting others should be charitable.

Oh to have the mind of a liberal, all my problems would be gone.

2,872 posted on 12/02/2001 8:24:22 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
Excuse me, but that means the merchandise is donated? There are no costs of manufacturing? I think that's unlikely.

Why? Some people donate money, others donate goods that can be exchanged for money. What is so hard to believe about that? Or is it just possible that the answer conflicts with your presumed conclusion, so you reject it offhand?

During the recent Caribbean Conference, a number of generous FReepers donated goods and services to the attendees. This whole site depends on generosity, and the giving spirit of Free Republic has never failed yet.

2,873 posted on 12/02/2001 8:29:06 AM PST by IronJack
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To: unsycophant
Hi TS! So good to see ya!

The topic of this thread which JimRob so generously created and is allowing me to visit is:

Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?

Since I don't post on your troll site, UpTheAntis, perhaps you would like to stop in at AFWAA and examine me on the issues you raise.

I'll be looking forward to it! BTW - Is it true that you're mombonn?

2,874 posted on 12/02/2001 8:29:07 AM PST by Z2
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To: Howlin
I have no idea who "the new girl" is. Perhaps she hasn't read the information I provided on the subject of charities and public trust. Have you read it?
2,875 posted on 12/02/2001 8:33:56 AM PST by Z2
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To: Ratatoskr
OK. No "Strange Brew." Did you happen to see "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest?" Same thing.
2,876 posted on 12/02/2001 8:35:07 AM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: IronJack
So that is affirmed? All merchandise available for sale is donated? No offense, but I don't know the players here. Do you speak for Mr Robinson?

Gack.I'm starting to sound like a DA and that's not my intent. I posted my questions and will check back later to see if any of them are answered. Thank you

2,877 posted on 12/02/2001 8:35:40 AM PST by A_dutiful_daughter
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To: Jim Robinson
The only reason someone would want to shut this site down is to silence people. This nation has needed an open forum for conserviatives for decades. Liberals have had their forums since the mid 60's; called the nightly news and the daily newspaper. They weren't interactive, but liberals had their views validated (or fed to them) for years. With the advent of Rush, we finally had a forum to validate our views. However, most of us didn't get a chance to state our individual views. He has only about 2 hrs (about 1 hr is advertising), and has lots to say of his own. This only allows a select few to state their views. Plus, there is also a gate-keeper there; the screener. Given the number of people who want to call in, and his limited time for calls means he has to pick and choose.

This forum on the other hand, is 24/7 (and even 3rd shifters like me can post). The only limits on posting are determined by the server's capacity. Even idiots can post; although they seem to be few and far between (thankfully).

In the electronic age, this is the sort of forum that our founding fathers would have wanted. In their day it was easy to get your views known in your community; stand in the town square and shout them out, or post flyers. If you wanted national attention, you got on your horse and went from town to town - difficult but do-able. Today, w/o FR? Good luck! Yes, you can write an editorial to USA Today; but the gate-keepers there are left wingers. Today, if you want your views made known nationally the cost would be prohibitive, unless you are a left winger; but then the press already beat you to it - you don't need to.

FR allows conservatives to state their views nationally any time they want. If their views are silly, they can be shot down easily, and thus becomes a learning experience.

This entire post made me uncomfortable; the idea that our only forum for free speach nationally might be destroyed by the enemies of free speach, that there are legal battles being waged against it, that the founder needs his reslove reinfoced....

It would be a sad day indeed were this site to go away.

MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/

2,878 posted on 12/02/2001 8:37:09 AM PST by logic101.net
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To: ReaganGirl
whoops...forgot to add the < /sarcasm > at the end there.

RG, lest you misunderstand my post, I personally think Jim should give a full accounting.

Your sarcasm was noted.

I was "defending" the inquiry, since Jim invited it.

2,879 posted on 12/02/2001 8:39:51 AM PST by alcuin
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To: Z2
When you get done answering the first series of questions, here are some more for you, mouse-warrior:

Did it bother you to continue to criticize a member of Free Republic for using a foul four-letter-word, AFTER you used the same exact language? You know, she apologized for HER use of it. You never did.

Did it bother you, as a good conservative, to learn that some of your associates wanted to "antifreep" the White House protesters when Clinton was in office?

Did it bother you to participate in deleting a club that didn't belong to you?

Has it ever bothered you to know that the only way you've enjoyed the freedom to speak your mind is by practicing complete and total censorship in (many) locations that allow no dissent or criticism (unlike here)?

Did you give any money to the off-shore investment? How was it spent?

If you're going to ask questions and expect replies, then you certainly must be willing to reciprocate, goose.

Your turn.

2,880 posted on 12/02/2001 8:40:43 AM PST by unsycophant
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