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To: ReaganGirl
Because this is not a publicly traded company and as a LLC does not have to disclose the items you suggested

I understand it does not have to. I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud. I almost gag at the thought of saying this, but if you have nothing to be ashamed of, why hide it. As a conservative, it drives me nuts to have someone say this about government intrusion into private affairs, but I'm not the government and this doesn't seem to be private as it asks for and accepts public money.

It isn't really a business as you don't really sell anything (so all the comparisons to grocery stores is silly) but it it isn't a charity for technical reasons. It seems more like a Political Action Committee and maybe I'm wrong, but don't they reveal their expenses and allocations. I could be wrong on that.

Look at the trouble the Red Cross got into when they tried to stonewall inquiries. It just seems that whatever the facts are, putting them on the table would end the controversy.

If you still have concerns about how your mom is spending her money then you should become her guardian and take over her finances. If I thought that my parents were "throwing money down a hole" that's what I would do.

LOL! You don't know my Mom, well, maybe you do but believe me, she may ask for my advice but she is no where near the need for a guardian. As far as I'm concerned, she can sign over the deed to the homestead to Jim, if that's what she wanted to do. She asked for advice from me because she wanted a disinterested party's view of the situation.

The last thing I wanted to do these last sunny days is sit here picking through all this but FR is important to her and she is important to me.

2,863 posted on 12/02/2001 8:11:23 AM PST by A_dutiful_daughter
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud.

Since you're "new" here, maybe you ought to be told that there are WAY over 50,000 users on this forum.

Less than TEN of them are asking all these probing questions. (Don't even try to say there are more than that; they use different screen names, but they ARE the same people).

Those ten people want to destroy this forum and Jim Robinson; they are sort of like cancer; they haven't realized yet that if they destroy the "body", then they won't have a life either. Stupid cancer.

2,866 posted on 12/02/2001 8:17:01 AM PST by Howlin
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
The only people "implying fraud" are the handful of libelous losers at the AF sites. Does the term "disingenuous" mean anything to you?
2,867 posted on 12/02/2001 8:17:16 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud

Mostly because it never works. Jim has never tried to hide anything, but the serpent's seed of doubt grows well in small minds, so the AF's are never content with any explanation given. This war goes on continuously, has for years. By now, all the concerns have been addressed a thousand times, yet every six months or so we have to have this exercise. Why? Because the questions aren't a means toward an end. The questioners aren't interested in truth, but in indicting this site through innuendo, diversion, and just plain repetition.

This is a waste of time and bandwidth. We don't need to justify ourselves to anyone, especially people who are our sworn enemies.

2,871 posted on 12/02/2001 8:24:15 AM PST by IronJack
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud.

If you've been reading this post...and I doubt that...then you would know that there is no "right" answer for those people.

this doesn't seem to be private as it asks for and accepts public money.

Wrong again, FR does not ask for public money it solicits private funds on a voluntary basis. If someone disagrees with the way it's run they should not contribute.

When Jim starts getting money from the appropriators in Congress then that will be a different thing all together.

2,980 posted on 12/02/2001 12:52:11 PM PST by ReaganGirl
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To: A_dutiful_daughter
Hi,

You wrote:

I understand it does not have to. I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to, to shut up the people who are implying fraud. I almost gag at the thought of saying this, but if you have nothing to be ashamed of, why hide it. As a conservative, it drives me nuts to have someone say this about government intrusion into private affairs, but I'm not the government and this doesn't seem to be private as it asks for and accepts public money.

The sad truth of the matter is that I fear nothing, including FR supplying all the requested information, would stop those who have been so critical of FR from continuing to be so critical.

Let's understand something. FR is an LLC they are not required to disclose the vast majority of what is being asked for. Z2 has made the implications that some laws are not being adhered to by FR. Why waste that statement here and just notify the authorities? My belief is that Z2's implication is baseless.

You made a polite post. Polite does not entitle you to the information requested. Knowing that, you need to make a decision on if you want to continue utilizing FR. But, MAKE THE DECISION. And once you do, if the decision is not to participate in FR, please resist those who have made it a mission, perhaps even a crusade, to try and "bring down" FR.

I belong to an association that over the past several years has been nuked by a small and vocal group of disruptors, who have seen fit to, when the discussions on the facts were not going their way, to dig through people's personal lives. These same people are are now angry that the association membership is down and the services and programs of the association are not being used, which means loss of revenue. My guess is that some of them wanted to just complain about something and now it is about how the association is not as active. But they know why things are bad. People got sick of the bickering and the fighting and the accusations.

Jim gave these folks a chance to air their views. With that said, I hope that Jim will just ignore their requests for further information. If they feel a need to get the information they so desire, let THEM put up some money and take the matter into the legal system, is my view. But right now, there are a few folks who are what I wouild call "high maintenance" folks. This is what the association I belong to has done. The group of disruptors is entitled to what the Cont and ByLaws say they are and no more. Requests for additional information above and beyond what is required are not being responded to. And the Secretary of the association says it is like a rock being lifted off her chest.

3,174 posted on 12/03/2001 5:19:08 AM PST by Fury
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