Posted on 11/27/2001 8:44:47 AM PST by Hans Moleman
Edited on 04/14/2004 10:04:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
GARDEN GROVE -- Mark Rosen was fuming after waiting in line for the Harry Potter movie, but he wasn't angry about the long wait.
It was the smokers puffing away around children that upset the Garden Grove councilman. Rosen plans to propose a local law at tonight's council meeting that would ban smoking in movie lines, parks and fast-food playgrounds.
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My smoking out of doors has about as much effect on the guy next to me as does the smoke from my charcoal grill.
Is smoking good for me, probably not. Is it going to kill me, maybe, maybe not. Is it going to give you cancer? the answer is NO. And regardless of what all the press releases say, the facts remain that there is less risk of cancer from second hand smoke than there is from ingesting whole milk.
There is a relative risk for developing cancer from just about everything in our lives. Do you know what the increased risk of lung cancer is from being exposed to shs at work and at home, about 18% (rr=1.17-1.19). The increased risk for lung cancer from drinking whole milk is 65% (rr=1.65). In epidemiology (which is all this is) RR's of below 2, and in most cases below 3, are considered insignificant and most likely due to chance or other factors.
I'm not arguing with you about your like or dislike of tobacco smoke, that is your perogative. My gripe is that people with agendas and the money to back them up have hoodwinked the lamestream media and thus the people with their busterdization of science.
And that winds up trampling on the very foundations of our nation - for everyone, smoker and non-smoker alike.
There are health risks involved with, practically, anything you do or do not in this life.
Some risks are greater than others and you choose the risks you take. At least until the antis and the govt step in to choose FOR you.
I can't say that agree with this law. If I were forced to vote on it right now, I couldn't do it, not until I looked more deeply into it. A wise man once said that people only give up their freedom when they're under some delusion.
However, my point is just this: Clean air offends no one, smoke-filled air offends 75% of our population. (75% was the statistic posted by someone on another thread, I don't know the source.), therefore, before you light up, understand that you will be annoying most of the people around you. If this fact pleases you, then there is something emotionally wrong with you, get help. Delighting in cruetly is defined as sadism.
That is where you are mistaken.
75% of the population does not SMOKE.
NOT smoke filled air offends 75% of the population.
There are many nonsmokers who don't care whether you light up in their presence or not.
Where did you get these numbers? I'm not arguing that shs is or isn't carcinogenic. What I was asking is does it pose a health risk at all? And the answer is of course it does. If your saying that a person is 3 times more likely to get lung cancer from whole cow's milk than from shs, I'd say that that statement is wrong.
Back down, please.
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I was refering to the inconclusive and contradictive studies that have been made on the subject. As for long term health risks, there has not been any reliable study done to prove that second hand smoke poses serious, irreversible, and permanent health risks that are disproportinate with other avoidable or unavoidable, potential health hazards in our environment.
Are you're saying that most people don't mind cigarette smoke? I doubt that that's true. Go ask people at random. Go to the mall, the grocery store, anywhere where you get a mix of smokers and non-smokers.
Living is a health risk.
Succinctly, there is no valid evidence that "secondary smoke" causes any illness as opposed to a control group not so exposed.
I didn't say most. I said MANY nonsmokers.
YEEEEAAAHHHH!!!
Ve haf vays of making you quit...
Ve vill confiscate ze tsigarattez undt ze fasst foodt undt ze zaliva at ze homelandt zekurity tchekpointss.
1. Hold your Dunhill between your index and middle finger with your pinky extended.
2. Never walk while smoking, sit with your legs crossed at the ankles and put out your ciggy before exiting your chair.
3. Never smoke inside unless your hostess is also smoking or has offered you an ash tray.
There were others but they escape me now. My sorority had a rule that you couldn't smoke with your greek letters on.
I follow them all to this day.
Standing aloof from the crowd, as is my wont, I was enjoying an after meal smoke. Approx. 25 feet from me, three younger types began their version of polite coughing and gagging routine. They told me the second hand smoke was bothering them. I replied that, in that case, they had better move back another 150 feet, as I was about to drop trow, and at that distance, they might be safe from being offended.
Needless to say, no one bothered me for the rest of the afternoon.
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