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To: Just another Joe
Given the lengths that some would go to, I would have to agree with you on that. Some don't know the difference between anti-smoking and anti-smoker.

I can't say that agree with this law. If I were forced to vote on it right now, I couldn't do it, not until I looked more deeply into it. A wise man once said that people only give up their freedom when they're under some delusion.

However, my point is just this: Clean air offends no one, smoke-filled air offends 75% of our population. (75% was the statistic posted by someone on another thread, I don't know the source.), therefore, before you light up, understand that you will be annoying most of the people around you. If this fact pleases you, then there is something emotionally wrong with you, get help. Delighting in cruetly is defined as sadism.

83 posted on 11/27/2001 12:06:52 PM PST by HarryDunne
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To: HarryDunne
smoke-filled air offends 75% of our population.

That is where you are mistaken.
75% of the population does not SMOKE.
NOT smoke filled air offends 75% of the population.
There are many nonsmokers who don't care whether you light up in their presence or not.

85 posted on 11/27/2001 12:13:04 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: HarryDunne
therefore, before you light up, understand that you will be annoying most of the people around you.

Therefore, before you bring your bratty, screaming kids into a restaurant, movie, or whatever, understand you will be annoying most of the people around you.

That is not meant for you in particular. The majority of the ones I have seen that bitch and moan about smoking always seem to have in tow two or three little heathens that scream, cry, whine and make dining or whatever completely miserable for everyone else. I wish somebody would pass a NO BRATTY KIDS rule for restaurants, etc.

124 posted on 11/27/2001 2:42:53 PM PST by TexanaRED
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To: HarryDunne
However, my point is just this: Clean air offends no one, smoke-filled air offends 75% of our population. (75% was the statistic posted by someone on another thread, I don't know the source.), therefore, before you light up, understand that you will be annoying most of the people around you. If this fact pleases you, then there is something emotionally wrong with you, get help. Delighting in cruetly is defined as sadism.

Assuming facts not in evidence, friend. This is textbook fallacious logic and won't stand up to scrutiny. Every smoker has at least one friend or family member who doesn't give a rat's patoot if he or she smokes, do you deny that? Right there is 50% or more of the population, and I'd bet real money the figure is much higher of people who just don't mind the smoke. Anti-smokers are not the majority of nonsmokers, they're really just a loud, unpleasant fraction.

Secondly, you make the assumption that air without cigarette smoke is "clean." It isn't. In its refusal to make smokefree workplaces part of its rules, OSHA stated that the level of PELS in a smoker-friendly establishment seldom if ever rises to a dangerous level. On the other hand, investigators are just completing a study that measured particulate matter exposures during a variety of different cooking activities. The results show that cooking can produce very high levels of some pollutants, much higher than previously realized. Baking and broiling some foods produced even higher levels. Some of these dangerous toxins are very bad: even if an individual were only exposed to these levels for one hour a day, and exposed to no other toxins, his or her exposure would exceed OSHA's standards of safety.

So your entire argument is built on the shifting sands of anti-smoker illogic.

134 posted on 11/27/2001 3:28:49 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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