Posted on 11/27/2001 5:41:01 AM PST by Sir Gawain
Interesting how a conversation can pick up after 4 years without a hitch . . .
:')
ok, the story as i remember it is that when God created adam, he also created lilith- not from adam, but also of the earth. lilith refused to be a servant to adam and ended up leaving him. there's a whole bunch of stories to what happened to her, copulations with demons, deaths of those children prescribed by God, her vows to kill children of God in return. there are other stories of cain seeking her out after his banishment and of them coupling. the giants are generally assumed to be her offspring, most commonly guessed as being issue of lilith and cain. this is where the giant goliath is believed to have come from.
FWIW, Im not a proponent of "political/religious archaeology". I do not bring the subject up to attempt to give validity to any of the peripheral subjects someone is always trying to throw into the discussion of "giants" (space aliens/"lost tribes"/Mormonism/fallen angels/etc).
Keep in mind that these discussions are always colored by the political agenda of the writers and the political sensitivities of the day. If you have followed the subject of Kennewick Man from his discovery to the clashing camps of racist hysteria to its present politically correct working theory of the Ainu then you know what Im referring to. By bringing the subject up, I do not intend to suggest that any theories you may read related to the lives of these "giants" are representative of my own (race, color, status, abilities, sexual tendencies, preference for Pepsi vs Coke, etc).
My only interest in the subject is that there is IMHO overwhelming worldwide evidence of an important story that everyone is presently afraid to touch.
I followed Mr. Jeeves' link, found this, and many thanks:
http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=751
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The venerable New York Times contributed to this deception when their Seattle-based reporter Tim Egan was assigned to fluff the "Father of Bigfoot" story into a New York Times cover story. Egan (possibly at the behest of NYT editors) blatantly and deliberately misquoted the three scientists he interviewed for the story -- Dr. Henner Fahrenbach, Dr. Matthew Johnson, and Dr. Jeff Meldrum.
Egan claimed all three of them "credited Wallace" with creating the first publicized track casts that gave rise to the legend. Fahrenbach and Johnson say, in their brief conversation with Egan, they made it very clear that Wallace didn't give rise to the legend, and they didn't know anything about Wallace's possible involvement with those first publicized track casts. Dr. Jeff Meldrum told Egan that he could prove that Wallace did not fake those first track casts.
Egan challenged Meldrum on this point. Meldrum said the proof was readily apparent in the photos -- the shape of the track cast doesn't match the shape of the Wallace track stompers (see above).
Egan's cover story in the New York Times didn't mention the discrepancy plainly visible in the photos.
Egan's challenge to Meldrum on the track shape issue suggests two things: 1) Not only was Egan well aware that Meldrum didn't give Wallace credit for hatching the legend. 2) It seems Egan (and possibly the NYT editor) had already decided what they wanted to say in this cover story. They only needed to attribute the right quotes to some experts to make it work. When those experts couldn't be coaxed into making those statements, Egan simply said they did.
When the three experts later demanded a correction or retraction for Egan's distortions, the New York Times ignored them -- three Ph.D's.
This occured when the Jason Blair scandal was already brewing at the New York Times but before it was publicized. The Times was desirous to pin unethical practices soley on Blair, and not let it seem widespread among its reporters.
Fahrenbach, Johnson and Meldrum still claim Egan blatantly and intentionally misquoted them. Other environmental reporters at other newspapers say Egan has done similar things before. Tim Egan has never been investigated about this, or at least the three misquoted experts have never been contacted by the Times to investigate the matter.
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...Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Abominable Snow Man
A blast from the past. What an old thread to revisit.
The first I ever heard of the Nephilim was when reading Madeleine L'Engle's "Many Waters". It's a sort of time travel concept that takes place just before the Great Flood. Very interesting reading.
If the sons of Seth were the righteous line, who did they marry?
Indeed, who DID Cain and Able marry?
Again, I think its a mistake to take everything in the Bible verbatim, literally.
The Bible is replete with parables, symbolism and other obscure praseology like this.
On the other hand, there are passages within it that are QUITE clear on their meaning - particularly with respect to the coming Saviour, the Resurrection and salvation, as well as to the existence of Angels, Satan, and homosexuality as an abomination.
There is also that very strange story about Isaac (??) wrestling with God.
mark for later reading
Or Cromagnum
Apparently Able did not marry as Cain killed him before he had children.
How do we know that?
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