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[Joe 6-pack]

Bork on Life

Perhaps the most eloquent words on the topic. Those not persuaded by Judge Bork's words have neither mind nor soul.

[CounterCounterCulture]

Civil rights for the preborn BUMP

[BibChr]

Her body ENDS where her DNA ends

That is so well-put that I thought it bore repetition.

Dan
The Bible and the Bull's-Eye on the Baby

[dpa5923]

Pinged, bumped and bookmarked!

[Torie]

The answer to winning the abortion debate does not center around "when life starts"

On that you are precisely wrong IMO. On this mortal coil, it is left to man to decide what is true, and what isn't, or what is problematical. Man may be wrong, but it is his given gift to make wrong judgments. If he is wrong, and there is a higher power, then and only then will it all be sorted out. In the meantime, you will have to argue the factual details in a nation of free conscience. Playing some absolutist trump card is doomed to failure in the public square. Of that much I am fairly confident.

[Uncle Sham]

"Abortion is safer than childbirth."
Safer for who? Certainly NOT the child. By the way, what does a "childbirth" have to do with abortion if the aborted fetus is just a tissue mass? If it is a "child", I would understand the comparison.

"Every child should be a wanted child."
There you go again referring to the fetus as though it is a "child", and then claiming the right to murder it. Is it a child or just tissue mass? Also, does this mean that if someone is ever "unwanted" that they can be murdered?

"The number of abortions is relatively small."
Is this supposed to be a justification for abortion itself? What difference does the number of abortions make if abortion is so wonderfull? Heck, if abortion was as great a thing as the pro-choice folks think, it seems we'd all want more of them.

"Nobody has the right to impose their morals on me."
Your morals END at your DNA line, just like mine. Remember, freedom to do whatever YOU want is not freedom at all. Freedom revolves around a respect for life which includes the notion that mankind is not able to decide or control anything about when life begins or ends.

[Uncle Sham]

Where does the "right to be free" come from? If it comes from mankind, then there is no such right. If the right to be free comes from God (mine or yours), what good is it if man controls the issue of life and death? If someone else can decide whether you live or die or even whether you get the chance to be born, YOU certainly are not "free". All I'm saying here is that the issue of when life begins is not for mankind to decide, or control. If man is in control of life and death, how is it that a perfectly normal, physically fit married couple could go years attempting to have a baby without success? There must be someone else making these decisions don't you think?

[Torie]

There must be someone else making these decisions don't you think?

No. You still trying to play that ineffectual trump card. It won't work in the public square on this issue. I make certain a priori assumptions, but not on this matter really, and a decided majority don't either. Your argumentative strategy is simply doomed to failure. It will persuade none that are not already a part of the choir.

[Uncle Sham]

Torie, one more thing. Do you think that there is such a thing as a "father"?

[Torie]

Ya, mine was named "Lloyd." I loved him dearly. If you mean a spiritual "father," well what we suffuse him absent a leap of faith is totally subjective.

[Uncle Sham]

"decided majority don't either"

Is right and wrong decided by a "majority"? Does this mean that if a "majority" decided that the sky was down and the ground was up that it would be so? This nation was founded upon the notion that we have certain inalienable rights which were granted by our "creator", not by John Hancock, or Betsy Ross. Upon what basis would you convince me to free you if I had control over you?

[Torie]

Upon what basis would you convince me to free you if I had control over you?

Our shared cultural values, assuming we had them, to wit, that we had made the same a priori assumptions, whether draped per se with theology or not.

[Uncle Sham]

My father's name was Sully. I miss him as well. :-)
My point was simply that if "life" begins at birth, as pro-choice folks wish to believe, there is no such thing as a "father". To have a father, one must be a PERSON all the way from conception. Tissue masses, according to pro-choicers, do not possess identity as people and thus do not have the ability to have relatives, which would include fathers.

[Torie]

Tissue masses, according to pro-choicers, do not possess identity as people

You seem to be slipping back into the real issue, to wit, when does life begin? On that, you will only win with leap of faith arguments, not with objectivity. That goes for the other side as well. That is why this issue will never be ultimately resolved.

[Uncle Sham]

"Our shared cultural values, assuming we had them, to wit, that we had made the same a priori assumptions, whether draped per se with theology or not."

You have prescribed a lifetime of slavery for yourself and your offspring. Your reasons would never instill a righteous fear into the hearts of anyone wishing to control and dominate you. The only way you could free yourself would be through the use of brute force. This would be a world of survival of the fittest, where the strong control the weak. It would be a world where man himself decides what is and what isn't right, or what is and what isn't freedom.
Those brave souls who founded this nation didn't believe we live in such a world. My freedom and yours stem from what they believed in. Had they believed as you currently do, there would not have been an America to live in.

[d14truth]

"For freedom to exist, life and death must be out of the reach of mankind to decide."--EXCELLENT!!! and the truth.

God is Pro-Choice

[Torie]

Actually, all those deists, including some of my forebears, served us all quite well. Some of my skeptical ancestors, about the existence of God and otherwise, including my father and grandmother, were some of the most moral folks I ever knew. Not that I am quite sure what this all has to do with the abortion issue. Cheers.

[d14truth]

One does not know the Lord of heaven and earth because one does not 'choose' to know him. He awaits the 'knock at the door'. True freedom(relationship, not religion) awaits one's final answer/choice.

[Bellflower]

Civil Rights for the Preborn-What a great poster sign! I hope everyone who is prolife would please go to your nearest abortion "clinic" on a regular basis and let the world know what you believe by holding up your signs written from your hearts. You are the last hope for that dying baby when you are out there. Also it is one of the best ways to educate the people. You become a living epistle from God's heart to their's. You would be surprised how gratifying it is to be the voice for tiny human babies who are not able to speak out and defend themselves.