Arm the Afghan Women

FOX NEWS ^ | Tuesday, November 20, 2001 | Wendy McElroy

[ouroboros]

It is commonplace to assume that toppling the Taliban will free Afghan women. But in an unstable country where soldiers celebrate conquest by raping, women have to protect themselves to remain free. Afghan women need to exercise the right of self-defense, including gun ownership.

[Mercuria]

Shall I get a few links in here for that post, ma'am?

[redrock]

"A gun in the hand of a mother who is protecting her child may be the most humanitarian relief of all."

Strange........then why do so many people try and convince the AMERICAN women....that the opposite is true????

redrock

[StoneColdGOP]

BTTT!

[NYpeanut]

The best defense against "guys with guns" is women with guns.

Amen, sister. The other things I would give these women is about 3 months of Krav Maga training and a switchblade. My 105# ROTC daughter can drop a 6' man in about three seconds.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"the U.N. is going to be in on the "new" government of Afghan. That means NO GUN OWNERSHIP!!"

MP, Yep. "Their" "Nation building" STARTS with "disarming the cities". Read people. In Somalia, and in Afghanastan, people who were and are in fear of their well-being due to being attacked by others were and are being TOLD to give up their only feasable means of self defense. If people can't live among themselves being armed, they damn sure ain't going to be able to live amongst themselves without firearms. It is a matter of attitude. If everyone has arms, the likelyhood of any group taking power is nil, as has been shown in the U.S. of A. over the last two hundred years of freedom for mankind. But, like I said, "I can dream can't I?".

They are looking for a new Constitution to govern the country. I suggest a CLOSE copy of the U.S. of A. Constitution with its attendant amendments. Including the second. Peace and love, George.

[Liberty Ship]

Maybe "Arming Afghan Women" would be a good use for all those dollars the administration pressured the kids (e.g. their parents) into sending in for humanitarian relief!

[FITZ]

They have already shown themselves to be cattle.

Islamic women defend the practices of polygamy and the treating of women as possessions as much or more as the men do. They are just as mind controlled by the "religion" and it's the women raising the male children in the early years that are teaching them the lack of respect for women. Why don't they raise their sons better?

[Liberty Ship]

Don't waste your time. Lot's of people on FR seem to think a firearm is a magical talisman that automatically prevents evil from happening to you or your family. The reality, of course, is that a gun is merely a tool, with limited effectiveness. Sometimes all the use of a weapon in self defense can do is to get you killed. After all, look how well their guns protected the Davidians at Waco. If overwhelming military force is controlled by your enemies, all fighting back will get you is dead. A case can certainly be made that it is better to die as a free man (or woman) than to live as a slave. But those making such a choice should be under no illusions that this is exactly the choice they are making.

You are correct. However, I would like to add my two cents worth. The issue is balance of power. I believe that sufficient fireams seeded in a free society, along with sufficiently trained people, act as sort of an "immune system" against terror and tyrany. When the number of privately owned firearms fall below a certain threshold, the chances of this balance being shifted increases and those remaining gun owners face the dilemma you described. When the number of privately owned firearms is above that threshold, the chances of anyone having to use them "politically" is greatly reduced. I believe this has been the case in the United States.

Thus, providing an infusion of firearms into a society -- particularly into the hands of women whose agenda tends to be personal and family protection, and not political -- might have a stabilizing effect.

[FITZ]

A Pro-Taliban Muslim woman brandishes a toy rifle and holds the holy Koran during an anti-American protest in Lahore September 19, 2001. Pakistani protests against an expected U.S. attack on Afghanistan spread along the volatile border region on Wednesday, with demonstrators burning American flags and praising Osama bin Laden. REUTERS/Mohsin Raza

Sometimes the woman are just as bad as the men, it could be the overall culture.

[backhoe]

Yep- see this:

The Female of the Species

[FITZ]

http://www.malaysia.net/lists/sangkancil/1999-04/msg00098.html

So what does the Taliban have to say about all this? It turns out the most vocal American supporter of a regime notorious for repressing women is a woman.

Leili Helms: “Why would I support people who chop off hands, don’t let women go to school? Why would I do that? Because there’s nothing else in Afghanistan. These are the only people who can give that country a chance to live.”

Born in Afghanistan, Leili Helms is a soccer mom who also volunteers her time to lobby on behalf of the Taliban.

Sara James: “You’re a suburban mom. You’re a Pro-Choice Republican. Do you feel like you have to do mental gymnastics to support the Taliban?”

Helms: “Absolutely not. I’m helping them because they’re doing the right thing for the country. They’ve brought peace and security, law and order, things that the country was incredibly in need of.”

Leili says after twenty years of war, the Taliban brought stability, and the way she sees it, life has improved ever since.

[Restorer]

I'm glad we agree. Firearms are just a tool. Like any other tool, they have their appropriate uses and things they just cannot do.

An individual involved in a standoff with the power of any modern state, however, cannot expect to survive the confrontation due to his firepower. At best, his ability to hold out against his attackers will allow public opinion to be mobilized and come to his aid. (Which is essentially what happened at Ruby Ridge.)

[VOA]

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[B4Ranch]

PING #47

[SusanUSA]

Islamic women defend the practices of polygamy and the treating of women as possessions as much or more as the men do. They are just as mind controlled by the "religion" and it's the women raising the male children in the early years that are teaching them the lack of respect for women

Sources? Exactly what are you basing this on? Personal experience? The family practice that we enjoy here is NOT enjoyed everywhere. When a woman is treated as property in a society, demeaned, and imprisoned in her own home with threats of violence to herself and family do you REALLY think she has the resources to command her family at home?

I am NOT a feminist, as in the feminazi's that we grow here at home. My one and only point throughout has been that broad and general comments based on a way of life few here can fully comprehend is unjust.

[SusanUSA]

BTW, did you catch the video of the Muslim women out protesting yesterday in one of the Afghan cities the Taliban were run out of. They were protesting AGAINST the Taliban, about 300 strong in that city. Will look for a link if you wish it.

[SusanUSA]

Leili Helms

She supports the Taliban but LIVES in the USA...

[FITZ]

I saw a very nice picture of some Afghan women who were taking off the burka, showing their faces, and smiling happily but just knowing how people are, you can bet there were women upset with them for doing so. Even in the US, you'll see Arab women just as weird as the men about keeping their faces covered, you'll see them in the hospital demanding a female phlebotomist because they see their elbows as sexually enticing to all men. Leila Helms seems to be pretty keen on keeping the women suppressed and she's a good example of how women can be toward other women. Just as Hillary was the one behind the campaign to smear the women like Juanita Brodderick, the victims of her husband. I'm only pointing out that women are not necessarily better than the men and many promote victimhood of women just as much for some reason.

[SusanUSA]

I'm only pointing out that women are not necessarily better than the men and many promote victimhood of women just as much for some reason.

Then you and I agree! Happy Thanksgiving to ya.

[adx]

If there is such a thing as a Radical Muslim and a Moderate Muslim, what kept the Radicals from becoming victims of the Moderates instead of the other way around?

One possibility: if you have a theocratic state, violating the law would not only be a crime, but a sin against your religion. When law and religion are tied together like that, it may explain the reluctance of many to go against people like the Taliban. To others, it'd appear that you'd be going against Islam itself by defying the Taliban.

My two cents, anyway.