I have a photo of Ms. Rini on my computer, but I do not know how to post it to the article. If anyone can help with that, please FReep Mail me.
Where is her expression of sorrow over 9-11? Typical Muslim response. Refuse to acknowledge that their culture BREEDS people like Bin Laden. Refuse to acknowledge that Islam BREEDS intolerance towards other religions.
I don't buy this "letter" one stinking bit. It insults me, my intelligence, and undoubtedly many others here on FR.
I wonder how she tries to live by the passages in the Koran that calls on all moslems to kill infidels (non-moslems)? She sounds like a very open-spirited person who could easily embrace the love of Christ. Would that she really knew Him.
| from "The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. [4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority. http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/kor an/ The Dinner Table - [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful. The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY GOD DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS) The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE) The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful. The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD) The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did. [5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust. |
I think there's just a little more involved than this...
Looking at this "woman's" statement, one thing comes to mind. Mr. Goebbels propaganda machine...notice how nice and fuzzy this statement ment to be/look about the teachings of Islam and how sooo normal, people of islamic faith are ( not a whole lot of difference next to your regular US Joe Sixpack I might add), but at the same time, conveniently, forgot to mention the WTC mayhem?
Not one single word uttered, condemning the atrocities commited by her fellow muslim brothers(it almost looks that her love for the fellow man does not includes the 5000+ innocent victims of WTC, Pentagon etc., cowardly attacks). If somebody really believes this kind of propaganda bullshit on it's face value, than come and see me, I have a bridge to sell to you...
I have known Ms. Rini for more than a year. I met her online in an Internet chat room. The fact that she is a Muslim is the least important thing about her.
I saw her online on Sept. 11. She, and every member of her family was devastated. She apologized over and over again. She was worried that I would hate her because of the actions of the fanatics -- fanatics that she hates just a bitterly.
She knows all about the forced conversions of Christians and the massacres in East Timor. She deplores them with every fiber in her being.
She knows nothing of Free Republic, and frankly, given the level of bitterness on this thread, I am not going to tell her about it.
I asked her to write this. I asked her to just give me a three page essay about what it means to be a Muslim woman in Indonesia. Yes, she can be a bit of an airhead at times -- but that was part of the reason I wanted her throughts.
I wanted my fellow FReepers to see the words of a young girl who happens to be Muslim. So that maybe that they would understand that Jakarta is not Kabul and that not all Muslims were raving members of the Taleban or supported the terrorists.
I can hate the bastards that are. I can loathe bin Laden. I can despise the bigotry and fanatism of Wahabi Islam.
But I don't have it in me to hate every Muslim.
Like others on this thread, I think that Islam is a disgusting religion. I know all about Mohhamed's nine-year-old wife. I know all about the ways that Islam backstabs other religions, and YES I know about how women are treated in Arabic and African countries.
Ms. Rini is lucky to be born in Indonsia, where the majority of Muslims are pretty laid back -- yes I know that they have their share of fanatics too -- but so what?
Maybe in the future, Ms. Rini will travel to a western culture where she will meet a Christian and be converted. I will even say a prayer that it happens. But am I supposed to hate her in the meantime?
FREE REPUBLIC has always been a place where I thought free discussion of issues was encouraged. So, I thought I would interject another opinion under the theory that blind hatred of any one group of people, is not really something to be encouraged.
This is not an opus. I am not going anywhere. Nor do I apologize for posting her essay. I am a bit saddened, however. This was not the reaction I was expecting from most FReepers.
Get well soon.
Also, ask her why one's religion is placed on id cards and why having muslim on an id card gives one more or special privilege!
Me, neither. You?
Dan
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Where were these peaceful clerics when there was rioting in Indonesia? Where are they in the USA? All I hear if small talk, mumbling if you will, trying to convince us that Islam is peaceful.
All of God's children need to be loved.
The Clerics need to start a wide campaign to denounce these radicals if they want us to believe in their peaceful religion.
If she has the courage to do so - see if she would risk reading this book: "I Dared To Call Him Father" - written by another Muslim woman....who became unhappy by the Koran's leaving her empty in her search for truth about God - and then read the Bible - and THEN became a Christian - and had to flee her country for her life because her family members were after her to kill her.
Sometimes it helps to tie a pciture of a real person to the words.
Tell Ms. Rini that there are millions of Americans who believe God is love too.
I know there are several hundred million Indonesians and that it is the largest Muslim nation. I also know that there are good and bad amongst all peoples, parties, sects, denominations and religions. I believe this girl's testimony about her beliefs and I wish her God's blessings.
At the same time, there are many, many of her faith who either apporve of what happened on 9/11 or are unwilling to condemn it. Please ask Ms. Rini to write a codnemnation of what happened on 9/11 to supplement her remarks and it would help most FReepers and Americans alike. We are very disturbed by a general lack of avowed and open condmentation, with no excuse, by ISlamic clerics, both abnroad and here in our own country. That is the fuel (along with the burning pyre of the WTC) that is fueling many of the feelings of rghtous indignation you see here.
If you and Ms. Rini truly believe God is love and that hHe is mercioful yet Just, then go with God and distance yourself from these others ... because these others WILL feel our terrible retribution. Not out of revenge, rather out of Justice and a true desire to never see it happen again.
Tell Ms. Rinin that I am a Christian man. There are millions here like me ... I am nothing special. I believe what I have related to you is something those folks over there need to hear. Please forward it to her for me.
Sincerely,
Jeff Head
www.jeffhead.com
To say that all Freepers hate all Muslims is ridiculous. Nobody here is that naive. We certainly don't believe that all blacks are like Jesse Jackson or OJ Simpson. Or that all women are like Janet Reno, Hilary Clinton or Monica Lewinsky.
But, we have been attacked by terrorists who are Muslim. We must be cautious as a nation.
The fact that you are being watched by everyone should not be such a surprise.