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Mexicans Told Immigration Reform Is Dead for Now Because of Terrorism Concerns
AP ^ | 11/20 07:00 pm EDT | George Gedda

Posted on 11/20/2001 4:17:34 PM PST by flamefront



Published: Nov 20, 2001

WASHINGTON (AP) - A comprehensive immigration agreement between Mexico and the United States will have to be deferred because of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, administration officials said Tuesday.

The officials, asking not to be identified, said they notified a visiting Mexican delegation that security concerns will have to take a higher priority in cross-border relations.

They said the Mexicans understood and accepted the U.S. decision.

Mexican President Vicente Fox has been a harsh critic of the current system, in which Mexican migrants who come to the United States are unable to escape their illegal status.

President Bush seemed to agree. During Fox's Sept. 5 visit here, he and Bush committed themselves to an approach that respects "the human dignity of all migrants," regardless of their legal status.

But the U.S. officials said that too many members of Congress believe that any measure that legalizes undocumented aliens would increase U.S. vulnerability to a terrorist attack.

Since Sept. 11, the administration has been making it more difficult for foreigners to enter the country. For Mexicans, this has meant more stringent searches at border crossings.

Visa processes for young men from Arab and Muslim nations have also been delayed to give officials more time to search for evidence of terrorist activities.

Immigration reform has be a high priority for Fox since he took office a year ago. When he met with Bush, Fox challenged him to reach an agreement by the end of the year.

Bush did not embrace the timetable but agreed that a legalization process - short of blanket amnesty - was called for, given the contributions Mexican workers have made to the U.S. economy.

The U.S. and Mexican delegations met for several hours Tuesday at the State Department. The American delegation, led by Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Mary Ryan, also included Justice and Labor Department officials and immigration officials.

Mexico's delegation was led by Gustavo Mohar, a migration expert at Mexico's Secretariat for External Relations; and Rodolfo Tuiran, who heads Mexico's National Council on Population.

Another meeting will probably be held sometime in January. The officials said the U.S. side wants to keep options open in case political conditions change.

On Monday, a Mexican delegation met with Tom Ridge, the director of homeland security, and other officials to discuss border issues.

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To: Maalaea
The terrorists should have waited to strike if they wanted a long term victory over us. They were too locked in to their immediate task to realize our politicians were about to make all the illegals full citizens.
41 posted on 11/20/2001 5:48:51 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: kstewskis
As long as he stays on our side of the border.

Make that "they stay" in memory of Pancho Villa.

42 posted on 11/20/2001 5:50:59 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: ken21
Yes, Americans and other foreigners may obtain direct ownership of property in the interior of Mexico. However, under Mexican law, foreigners cannot own property outright within the restricted zone.

this sounds like a contradiction.

Instead, a real estate trust must be set up to hold title for the foreigner.

that was my point. You and I must have different versions of "owning" property. Someone holding it in "trust" (an oxymoron in Mexico) is not owning it outright, like an American would own property in the US.

none the less, "owning in trust" or leasing does not render the property secure. It can be confiscated at any time.

43 posted on 11/20/2001 5:52:36 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: kstewskis
it's not the u.s.

there are many americans, especially retirees, living in mexico. i don't think the majority of them own property. costa rica also has a sizable american community.

44 posted on 11/20/2001 5:55:52 PM PST by ken21
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To: quebecois
We should begin a letter-writing campaign to our congressmen to insist that any deal with mexico on immigration include fair new laws for American ownership of property in Mexico. It the mexicans are too xenophobic to allow Anglos to own property in Mexico, then we should be too xenophobic to allow any of them legal status here.

sounds good to me. I know people who have retired to Mexico, or have places there, but its a whole different set of rules. One friend was pulled over and threated with jail for running over a 6" rock on the side of the road(no joke). It cost him $50. As far as I'm concerned they can flush Mexico. Not until I can be treated as fair as we treat their illegals here, and not have to fear for my safety, will I ever go back.

45 posted on 11/20/2001 5:58:18 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: flamefront
bttt
46 posted on 11/20/2001 5:59:32 PM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: WRhine
So true.
47 posted on 11/20/2001 5:59:54 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: kstewskis
I agree with your sentiments completely...except for one thing. While you may never what to take yourself back to Mexico...Mexico is very interested in taking itself up here to see you.

In 30 years, law enforcement in the SW will resemble your unfortunate experiences in Mexico.

48 posted on 11/20/2001 6:01:30 PM PST by quebecois
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To: 1 FELLOW FREEPER
If they sign that bill, I will not vote for Bush again. My state has been destroyed.

DITTO

49 posted on 11/20/2001 6:01:43 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: flamefront
Published Tuesday, November 20, 2001

51 percent in Miami-Dade were born in other nations

BY ANDREA ELLIOTT AND JASON GROTTO

aelliott@herald.com

More than half of Miami-Dade County residents are now foreign born, according to a Census report released today -- placing the county first in the nation among the major metropolitan areas surveyed.

About 51 percent of Miami-Dade's 2.2 million residents were born in another country, as were an estimated 61 percent of Miami residents, according to the survey, which tracked some 900,000 households in 1,203 counties nationwide last year.

``That's monumental,'' said University of Miami immigration specialist Thomas Boswell. ``That's like passing through a magic threshold. There is no other major metropolitan area that has that high a percentage in the nation. Suddenly you're talking about a majority of the population now.''

The survey also estimates that Broward's foreign-born population is now 26 percent of the county's 1.6 million residents. Broward ranked tenth in the nation in its foreign-born population.

At The Herald's request, the Census Bureau analyzed the data to find Miami-Dade's and Broward's ranks among the 300 metropolitan areas in the survey, which include Los Angeles and New York City and other areas with high immigrant populations.

It appears that the number of Broward residents born abroad has doubled, though the Census Bureau cautions against direct comparisons with 1990 Census numbers because the surveys were conducted differently.

Even as foreign-born populations have grown, so have the proportions of people in Miami-Dade, Broward and Miami likely to be naturalized citizens, as well as those born in Florida.

Those estimates mean that the region is infused with immigrants who are starting families here and applying for citizenship -- making South Florida not just a port of entry but a permanent destination.

Such is the case of the Aguilar family, which moved from Havana to Hialeah to Miramar in the last 13 years, bearing children and securing U.S. citizenship along the way.

``If I'm going to live here why not?'' said Roberto Aguilar, a sales manager for a dollar store supplier. ``I feel like this is my country.''

The numbers show some striking trends, demographic experts say.

The percentage of naturalized citizens rose in all three areas, most markedly in Miami-Dade, which surged to an estimated 23 percent of the population last year, compared to 16 percent in 1990.

The percentage of citizens in the foreign-born population appears to have increased in Miami from 28 percent in 1990 to 38 percent last year, and in Miami-Dade County from 36 percent in 1990 to 44 percent.

Experts attribute the rise to several factors. One of the strongest: Worsening political and economic conditions in Latin America that at first may have seemed temporary, especially in the cases of Colombia, Venezuela and Argentina.

POLITICAL INCENTIVE

South America alone sent 116,000 people to Miami-Dade in the decade, more than doubling 1990's total to an estimated 215,000 last year, according to the survey and Oliver Kerr of the county planning department.

Other incentives to seek citizenship have included easier access to applications via the Internet and the 1996 immigration law, which barred illegal immigrants from re-entering the country for up to 10 years.

``I've had more demand for citizenship in the last five years than before and really it's based on people making a decision that they do not want to return to their countries of origin,'' said Fort Lauderdale-based immigration attorney Larry Behar. ``People want to become part of the fabric of America.''

Miami has long been a gateway for Latin Americans forging new life in the United States, but the new survey indicates that more of these immigrants are opting to settle locally.

``This place has a future,'' said 32-year-old Argentine Charlie Curestis, a medical supplies exporter who landed in Miami five years ago. He explored other cities but kept coming back.

``We call this el barrio,'' said Curestis, sitting at a table Friday night outside the bustling North Beach restaurant El Campo Argentino at Collins Avenue and 71st Street -- the heart of what's become known recently as ``Little Argentina.''

In several surrounding blocks, there is an Argentine launderer, an Argentine hair salon, two more restaurants and a bakery.

``One feels comfortable here,'' said Curestis, who founded Club Argentino of Miami -- a group of families that meet for recreation on Saturdays. A resident, he must wait two more years to apply for U.S. citizenship.

``I'm going to have a family here and stay here forever,'' he said. ``I'll always be Argentine but this is my country now.''

The survey also showed a rise in the proportion of people born in Florida, which increased in all three areas, while the percentage of residents born outside the state appeared to shrink. In Miami-Dade, people born outside the state dropped from 25 percent to an estimated 17 percent. In Broward, the percentage went from 59 to 44.

NEW STAKEHOLDERS

``People are no longer going and coming as rapidly as before,'' said Florida Atlantic University professor Jerry Kolo. ``There are more people staying and those people are going to raise families.''

The survey's most notable trend was the increase, in all three areas, of foreign-born residents. The national average for large counties is an 11 percent foreign-born population, said Kevin Deardorff, chief of ethnic and Hispanic statistics for the Census Bureau.

To demographer Richard Ogburn and others, the increase in in-state birth and foreign-born resident percentages are visibly linked.

``Those are mirror phenomena,'' said Ogburn, principal planner with the South Florida Regional Planning Council. Foreigners are settling in South Florida, having children and becoming political, economic and social stakeholders, he said.

``Governments clearly need to bring these new residents into active participation in the civic activities that keep us all going,'' he said. ``Language and cultural barriers can sometimes make that a more difficult process.''

Perhaps no family better encapsulates the survey's findings than the Aguilars in Miramar.

Roberto and Maria met in Cuba 21 years ago. After moving to Hialeah in 1988, they had two children and attained citizenship.

This year, the family added to Broward's booming foreign- and Florida-born population by leaving Hialeah to buy their dream home in Mariposa Isles, a new Miramar development targeting Hispanic move-up buyers with floor plans that include mother-in-law quarters.

``You will never find in Hialeah a house like this,'' said Maria, 35, as she stood on the sparkling tile floors of the roomy kitchen.

The Aguilars voted in the presidential elections last year. Roberto, 37, had voted in the 1996 elections because his citizenship came sooner, but last year was Maria's first time.

``It was very exciting. It was like `Wow,' '' she said. ``They say every vote counts.''

Herald database editor Tim Henderson contributed to this report.

50 posted on 11/20/2001 6:02:54 PM PST by expose
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To: ken21
it's not the u.s.

there are many americans, especially retirees, living in mexico. i don't think the majority of them own property. costa rica also has a sizable american community.

you bring up a good point. Places like Baja, and San Carlos, among others are very attractive places to retire. I worry about those US retirees sometimes. Other times I envy them ;-).

51 posted on 11/20/2001 6:03:45 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: quebecois
I agree with your sentiments completely...except for one thing. While you may never what to take yourself back to Mexico...Mexico is very interested in taking itself up here to see you

yes, and its the hateful mantras from La Raza that scare me. No one around here seems to take them seriously. You can see what's happened to California. There is a small, incorporated town just a half mile away from me, and it's like walking in Mexico...complete with the dusty roads and everything. Sobering.

In 30 years, law enforcement in the SW will resemble your unfortunate experiences in Mexico.

I hope I'm out of the SW by then.....

52 posted on 11/20/2001 6:10:39 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: Maalaea
lol!

what planet are you from?

54 posted on 11/20/2001 6:16:40 PM PST by ken21
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To: flamefront
Don't worry the government will find away to loosen immigration restrictions and allow the already here felons to stay. They'll couch the terminology so that the sheeple will never be able to decipher. Something as deceitful as trying to call loans, grants, to the third world countries so they won't have to repay the grants.
55 posted on 11/20/2001 6:17:16 PM PST by doc
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To: sweetliberty; wirestripper; Travelgirl; TheBattman
Arkansas FReeper bump.
58 posted on 11/20/2001 6:24:43 PM PST by Budge
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To: ken21
san diego's largest export partner is mexico.

If we keep letting the illegal aliens in there won't be anyone left in Mexico to export to, they'll all the here.

59 posted on 11/20/2001 6:24:56 PM PST by JD86
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To: Maalaea
our economies are intertwined.

Like cancer and chemo.

or jalepenos and indegestion?

60 posted on 11/20/2001 6:24:56 PM PST by kstewskis
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